Panache Floris does nothing for my boobs. At least this 30JJ does not much for me at the moment. I had a few Floris bras in the past, some fitted okay, but they were all painful to wear because the straps cut in my shoulders so badly and the wires hurt me. They left deep painful red marks.
Why does Floris do nothing? The bra is a typical balconette with very separated straps and deep cups. The upper section of the cups is not stretchy but very open and roomy. When I put on the bra. it barely lifts my boobs they just hang in there. The wires ...just hurt me very much. I also NEED the 30 band in this bra or would do even less. The straps would kill me, all weight is on them. The Floris is deep and roomy like the Ewa Michalak SF bras, but the wires are too wide. This just takes so much support away. The bra does nothing with the cups / wires, and all lift is done by the shoulder straps!
Btw the print on this bra is beautiful, when I saw it was the last one on ebay, I had to have it. I wore the bra a few times when I had nothing else to wear. It was "okay" as in it looked okay during the day, but I was in a lot of pain at the end of the day from the issues I described. Also note that I took my pics in May 2019 and the bra fits differently now, back then I had no gaping and it felt a tiny bit more supportive! I don't know if a 30J would solve the problems, or if the bra is just not for me. Read more 187 more words
Those straps look worse than Ewa's SF cuts. Ouch!!!
Sovavosi yes much worse, if you read my latest aventure of all my bra trials SF is so much better! Also do you think my review is clear of what I mean? I know my pics don't show it, so might add a few more , because 4 months ago, the bra fitted a bit better but yesterday it was a huge fail.
Yes, I think so. The side wires look weird, like the CK bra you just reviewed. Not as bad but still pretty bad.
They are just super wide on me. Not as bad as on the CK that bra is a league of it's own! But the wires are too wide to do much support. The cups are so projected and open on top, they don't do much… which leaves the work to??? Shoulder straps! Ouch :/
As someone with a small frame this bra ends about halfway into my armpit. The underwires are hugeee on me!
This bra is very pretty and I really wish it fit, but it's just terrible for me! The gore is too wide for my close-set breasts and rubs onto the breast tissue there, while the cups are too wide and the underwire ends in my armpit and also rubs there. The band is too big and the cups could perhaps be a tiny bit smaller, maybe a 28JJ would be a better size for me.
I did attempt to non-permanently alter this bra by sewing the gore closer together and the underwire forwards to stop the rubbing, but it didn't help all that much. I've removed the threads I had sewn in and I don't see any needle holes but if you do, that is why.
The good: above average support for bottom-heavy boobs, love the skinnier straps and narrow centre front for narrow shoulders and close-set breasts. Pretty colour.
The bad: wires dig in at sternum and under armpit. Don't think they're too high, almost like the cups tilt into the body (bottom to top) and they poke at the top. Fabric on bra wings is pretty stretchy so don't expect this one to be particularly long-wearing. Also, the bottom band curls up on one side and out on the other after the first wearing or two (maybe because it is less stretchy than the mesh? See photos.) The narrow edge of the band can dig in at the bottom on the side that curls in.
This bra is discontinued so I won't write a too long review. It can be still found at good prices on ebay, that's where I found mine. Sadly the construction of this bra is really off. I had royal blue 32JJ - Panache » Loretta Balcony (6681) a few years ago, that was not a perfect fit but somewhat decent and looked much better than this.
This 30JJ Loretta in white though is completely wrong for my shape. I wonder if it is an odd one... it seems more like they did cups for like a 36H then sewed a 30 band on them. The cups are super ...super wide they end on my back! The straps are super wide set, the whole bra is made for a much wider frame than mine (see picture where I wear the straps on my arms). I don't understand since I'm actually between a size 30 - 32 in bands and I cannot imagine someone needing a 30 band have a much wider ribcage than me? It makes no sense. The bra also did nothing for my boobs, the shape was awful, very droppy east - west look and there was no lift.
It could be possible that I got an odd "faulty" model, since the 32JJ was not as bad. But still I don't recommend to try it at least not in my size range, there are better bras out there. Read more 130 more words
This bra came closest to fitting, but the wires are very hard/stiff, and the center wires hit very painfully. I think I have a dent at the clavicle, nothing serious, but the wire hits above it regardless of bending and so forth. OUCH. After this I tried the Panache wired sports bras and they are much more comfortable. The fit is not as perfect (and I went to slightly other sizes based on availability)- gore floats a litte depending on size- but holds me up where I should be and does not hurt. I may have to think about this as pectus excavatum I guess? Try plunges or whatnot? IT is hard in this size. I am really eager to figure out what else I could try.
You already tried bending the Gore out correct ? How about trying the bra on the bra on with an extender ? Not the full extension but one or two hooks out giving you an extra half inch or so to feel if it's not pulling the center as tight to you body .
Well, Ewa Michalak would be my next stop . . .
Ivp - yup- but no, the band cannot go looser. This isn't about where the wires sit width-wise but how tall they are. They are too tall in my cup size. I played around a lot with sizes (even extenders). If a hard wire hits me in the sternum, it hurts.
dbmamaz my thinking more and more, too. Overwhelmed by what style etc and finding/ordering just now.
yeah, its quite an adjustment, getting your head around them.
In general for me, I tend to go up a band size (because i've had 2 bands from her that were a full band size too small), but sister-sizing that if you are ordering an unlined bra (like BM or SM) but going up a cup (which means really up a band but same cup letter) for the lined - S is the only lined I've worn - because the lining takes up space.
I was wearing a 32J in panache when I came here, and now have a 32JJ jasmine that i'm pretty happy with (high gores are good for me), feel free to look around my bras to see if that helps any
Yeah, Panache uses wires in a gauge like 8x stiffer than any other brand. But the sport is wrapped in silicone. Every J cup wire should be wrapped in silicone! lol
If you NEED the panache stiff wire, after bending you can pad it with felt (or have this done). If you don't need the wire but do need the shape/other aspects of panache fit, you can do some research and change out the wires. The 30JJ has about a size 54 wire.
I have pulled out a panache 30jj under wire it's a 52 vertical that was the closest you can buy retail ,bra makers supply has a chart that it matched up to as I didn't want panache wires lol I went with flexible wires . I personally bought these flexible underwires from bravo bella bra supplyhttp://bravobellabras.com/products/underwires?variant=1165284588 They are very comfortable , flexible pretty narrow , and easy to replace your uncomfortable underwires with them . I found them too flexible for my bust and had to double up to get support I need you might be different . It's a good way to salvage a bra that works in all but this way . Oh these wire are so flexible they only soft tack and you can take of the end cap cut with a wire cutter and put the cap back on if you need the wire to be shorter . It's an option for a fix . My issue is I get pain at the Gore because I have just a bit of connection of skin/breast right there it either needs to soft tack or be a bit lower or sometimes higher . That's why I asked how it felt with an extender to see if it feels better with a soft tack or if you just plain need a lower Gore that would help you decide which ewa michalak style you wanted to try .. I think her s is the same height maybe a plunge is lower.
i climb out of S but not of Jasmine so I think its lower.
Yeah - my 32JJ jasmine has a gore height of 4.7, and my 75JJ S has a gore height of 4.
Okay, after wearing it a bunch, I am finally ready to review this bra. Overall, it is lovely. I have had really bad luck with Panache bras in the past, but enough people here told me to try it that I decided to go for it, and I'm glad I did. Here are my pros and cons:
PROS:
- The lace at the top is flexible enough to not cut into my full-on-top (and everywhere else) boobs, but firm enough that I don't push it out above the patterned part of the bra, and there is enough space at the bottom of the cup that once I ...jiggle around a bit, I get little to no wrinkling.
- The material is thin and breathable and the seams subtle enough that I am happy to wear it under T-shirts.
- The band is a good width, although I would always like even wider (why aren't there longlines in my size??).
- The gore sits flat on my sternum, very snugly.
- The shape is nice and round, and almost right on the front of my chest. Boobs appear natural-ish but not saggy at all.
- The straps aren't too short, which is rare on me, as I have stupidly small shoulders. I like that the entire length of the band is adjustable.
- I haven't had it THAT long, but so far it seems the quality level is high.
CONS:
- This is a personal thing, but the wires are too wide for me. My boobs start right at the edge of the front of my chest, so I prefer very narrow wires. These go around quite far onto my sides, and after a while they begin to dig a lot. I am unfortunately not able to figure out how to do BrasIHate's wire bending system, and I'm not sure it would work on something this far from ideal, so... Eh.
- I'm really closer to a 28 band, so I can't really complain that the band is too large with any degree of certainty, but I do feel like it's on the stretchy side. I will be having it taken in.
- The gore is wider than is my preference, but of course YMMV.
All in all I would say it is a very nice everyday bra, especially if, like me, you have to wear a lot of black (for work, in my case) and want comfort and a good but unobtrusive look for your boobs. Read more 320 more words
I purchased this bra lightly used off ebay - it seems essentially like new. I can wear it on the loosest hook.
The band feels right, though the cups might be slightly too small. When I pull my breasts into the cups there's the slightest hint of quadboob on my smaller side, but the stretch lace on top of the cups does a lot of work smoothing things out. There's some definite quadding on my larger side, but again it's pretty gentle looking due to the stretch lace. It doesn't seem noticeable under my average t-shirts.
Overall, the bra is wearable but I might go a cup size up next time, at the risk of having to use a cutlet on my smaller side.
Materials are pretty good when it comes to Panache, well the ones that I've tried, so no complaints on that end here. Unfortunately for me, the cups are too wide and a bit tall. So that can get uncomfortable at times. There's also some extra space at the bottom of the bra (I never seem to fill out the bottom of a bra). I feel like a 30J wire would've done much better for me (it's what I used to wear). But, unfortunately, I get some serious quadboob in that one. That used to be my go to size, until it happened.
The upper lace, in that, is probably ...the best feature of this bra for me as it keeps me from spilling out of the tops. (even though, depending on how full I am, I can get some spillage). At this point however, this is my best bet and has been my go to bra for a while.
I'd recommend this for those who are full on top.
(On a side note.. does anyone have any recommendations for me?...I'm somewhere between a 28/30 back and am looking to trying a polish bra...but idk where to start)
EDIT
Just an edit to make note of measurements.
Both the maximum and minimum cup depth were recorded. Maximum cup depth was measured by stretching the cup over the knee. This was recorded at 15.8. The minimum cup depth was measured by hovering the cup between the knees and hanging the tape measure. This was recorded at 13.75. Read more 141 more words
In your size range, I'd suggest you start with Ewa Michalak and Comexim. If you can give an idea of what features your ideal bra would have, I (and several others on here) can give style or model suggestions that should work for you. You can browse through the ones I have added to give you an idea of what both brands have to offer in your range. (I'm a 28:16 so not that different from you.) Also, if you add your measurements, I (we) can suggest a size to start with for the styles as well.
MamaPagan honestly, I'm not too choosy at the moment. I'd just like something I'm not spilling out of and one that not poking out my wires/arms.
Thanks, will check out your stuff. Also, I've updated the measurements in my account.
sorry that should read *back not wires
Your measurements aren't showing up yet. Can you check to see if you marked them to be visible under your profile?
Do you want unpadded, or are you open to padded options? Do you prefer the stretch lace on top or a firm upper cup? Do you like more coverage or half cups? Longlines or regular bands? Both Ewa and Comexim have a variety of options which can get overwhelming if you don't know what to look for. Both brands have nice narrow wires though so you should be happy with that aspect.
MamaPagan it's checked as visible to logged users...but I'm not sure what's going on, this should be it though http://bra.pe/QJkU/ (hopefully this was what you were asking for)
I'm fine with either padded or non-padded, preferably something more full coverage, stretch lace, if possible (not a must) to account for any fluctuations.
I've always wanted to try a longline, but again, no preference.
Okay! The link worked, so we have somewhere to start.
Based on what you entered, you are very high set, narrow framed, and a bit pendulous, right?
You may be best to try Ewa's BM or SF style which are both unpadded, more accommodating than her padded styles, and have stretch lace on top.
SF is a bit more shallow on bottom than BM, but it is reinforced/slightly stiffened to give more support. Based on your measurements, you are in custom sizing and at the high end of the cup range, which means higher prices and no returns, so finding your ideal fit may get pricey. I honestly would suggest trying my size, 60KK, which is the current size cup cap Ewa is willing to make for both the SF and BM styles.
If you are in the US or Canada, you may be able to find some at the few retailers that stock Ewa (so they'd be returnable) otherwise, you can order direct from Ewa's site, https://www.ewa-michalak.pl. You'll first need to set up an account, then submit an order via email to Kaska (who speaks fluent English) listing the bra style model and size, at sklep@ewa-michalak.pl. (ie BM Bibi Black in 60KK.) She will then send you a link to your invoice on the website. The bra prices will be 20PLN more than those listed on her site for standard. If all is correct, you pay via Paypal and they process your order. It takes 1-4 weeks for production, depending on how busy they are and how many bras are in your order. Once it ships, you'll get an email with a tracking number.
Another option (which I did first) is to try a 70JJ and see how that works for you in the cup (and to gauge the band) as that size is returnable. If the cup works, you'll know the 60KK would as well. If it's too small, you know you'll need a larger band (65 or 70) to get a cup that works, then shorten the band as needed.
Doing it this way would allow for trying a few without the "no returns" worry, and without the custom size fee. Also standard can be placed directly online instead of email, and many standard sizes are ready made and ship in 2 days from order. This way would also allow you to try a few different cup sizes to pinpoint cup fit as well, but it is up to what works best for you and where you live.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Also, as a side note, please make sure to measure your bras. We need all the data we can get to strengthen the database that makes Bratabase great. Thank you! :-)
MamaPagan aah thank you so much. Yes that pretty much describes me. I think I'll take a gamble and do the special order or I'll search for some other retailers that stock them online and order the 70JJ from them.
As for the measurements, that's good to note. Will do that going forward, and update my previous bras also.
Frazzleberry more high-set, petite or shortwaisted bra-wearers are apt to experience a mismatch with the wire height, strap placement and cup apex placement of many bras-- such that they end up having to size up far past the cup volume they'd theoretically need. Empty space below AND to the sides indicates either a cup too large, period (not the case usually if the size below was too small) or a major shape mismatch, which can still mean that you are technically in a cup volume that is much too large albeit with empty space located in all the wrong places. A fitting thread here or on ABTF can help you get some feedback, but if you have access to a free returns/exchange retailer like Amazon, you can also experiment with bras that offer features more suited to petite or high-set users, like some of the Cleos (search by numbers and find ones that have a cup depth comparable to what you've best fit so far, but with shorter wires and especially shorter wings on the sides. You can also control for width when you search).
wendybien I've tried a few bras in Cleo, (Marcie and Lucy that I can remember. Oh there was Meg too..but that was all forms of wrong) I started wearing Lucy in 28J but then I moved to a 30J because I was spilling out .eventually I could no longer wear the Lucy. I don't *think* the space at the side was a problem in the 28J..but it's been too far back that I can't remember.
I can get by in a 30J in Marcie on some days. There are still some issues, where there's a little bit a flattening some part on the mesh section,..a little space on the bottom, minor spillage..but more or less it's fine...until I have the days when I absolutely can't wear them
Essentially what I'm trying to say, is that I've been sized out from the Cleo's that I've tried
So in terms of the available options to play around with and experiment with.. I'm not sure off-hand how much of a range I have..it could be that I've been trying all the wrong ones though
There is also, because of my location online returns may be an issue..so I'm restricted with that option also...
I'll still look around though and take your points into consideration, when I decide to try my next bra.
Thanks.
Frazzleberry so, the Lucy and Meg unfortunately often offer a smaller fit overall due to how closed-in they are; they do not work for people with evenly full or tall/tapered shapes either in many cases. Marcie runs very generous in the cup and there are a couple other ones I will try to remember that I think run even larger than Marcie and might be worth looking at (discontinued but often findable). There were a lot more discussions about this issue when there were more small band large cup bloggers active!
Also, if you share your country location, we may be able to help with some suggestions on buying options.
Frazzleberry ok so the ones I know I've seen mentioned as running quite generous in the cup and full in height are: Hettie, Kayla and Alexa. You'll want to look quite carefully at depth/wire length/wing height to assess which size to hunt for (and be careful of the blue Hetties--I noticed a lot of reviewers seemed to mention fit issues that looked to me more like a quality control issue than a real design problem). The wings aren't that much shorter than the Jasmine but since these are narrower wires for an equivalent cup volume, they will not sit so far back on your sides, and depending on your anatomy that may help quite a bit! Cleos also tend to run firmer than Panache main collection (not always... but check reviews for that colorway etc.)
Another option: I don't know your true underbust and whether you're sizing up out of necessity, but if you can usually live with a British 30 band, there could be some Empreintes that would work for you. The outlier sizes can sometimes be found on ebay for very good prices. They are often not even considered by people in your size range but can sometimes turn out to be an option since their cups run anomalously large, as you will see from user measurements on here.
Anyway, these are just a few ideas!
Yeah, I had the blue Hettie (Cobalt) in a 30J and it definitely was not generous in the cup....
MamaPagan Thanks. I live in caribbean, and while I won't say my options are horrible in terms of physical retailers, I have tried most of everything that was suggested to me out here. There's a regular retailer I go to and she lets me know whenever she has anything in stock that may fit me.
wendybien I think I really am about a 28 (it's what I measure but barring that, it generally does feel better) .. I usually have to hook my 30 bands on the middle or tightest hook. Although, there are a few times a 30 band can work.
I'm almost certain I've tried on Hettie before (if I did, then it would mean something was off with the fit), but I honestly can't remember. I'd have to check back with the store out here. Hopefully they have those in stock.
Thanks again to you both!
MamaPagan Just saw your additional post. Ah kk. then it is looking likely, that I had tried it and it was a no go.
I'll still double-check though (if she has it in stock) since my memory is fuzzy.
Frazzleberry Unfortunately I have no shopping suggestions for the Caribbean. Sorry. :-( Maybe some of our other lovely members do?
Would it be possible for your local shop to consider stocking some Ewa bras? Maybe she would be willing to special order a few for you, to make it easier?
I've only tried the Cobalt Hettie so Wendy may be correct that the other Hetties running more generous in the cup, but from my experience smaller cup trends do not often carry over to larger cup ranges, so unfortunately her experience may vary greatly from what our size range would experience. I think I posted photos of that one, and I know veggiechic did, so you'd have a few to look at in the 30J to get an idea, as well as checking the measurements. The wires were indeed narrower than Panache, but the cups not spacious enough at my current bust size to work, besides I cannot stand the harsh Panache/Cleo wires so I never wore it when it did fit. It was a gorgeous color though!
I’m a high-set, center full, FoT, short and narrow rooted 28K, and EM fits me best. I agree with everyone else that you could order a 70J/JJ and trouble shoot from there. I, personally, have a problem with Sfs collapsing (thanks large cup size + dense not self supporting tissue) and from what I read, Bm cups are a little less supportive, which means more strain on the shoulders. I’ll probably be mainly sticking with her padded styles, just because I feel more secure and supported in them, but you do you.
MamaPagan I know what you mean about the Panache and Cleo wires! I can't make claims about Hettie vs an overall average for bras in this size range-I just meant it runs generously on the Cleo scale, which seemed relevant since Frazzleberry has a Marcie and finds it workable at least part of the time. On Bratabase Hettie is the 4th-deepest 30J of all 39 Cleos having data in that size, with the best depth ratio of these, since it is also narrower than most at 6" or so (comparison with Marcie here http://bra.pe/CNQb/) I actually noted your own very precise over-knee stretched cup measurement of 15" for the Hettie when considering if she might find it roomy enough :-) Another user measured it at just 14", which is still a hair over what most people measure the Jasmine 30JJ that is deep enough for her albeit too tall and wide. Hence my sense it could be worth a shot if she has not tried it yet. Or maybe even a sister size in 28 which sounds more suited to her preferred band size.
MamaPagan That is a thought and I'm hoping she does but there are a couple of logistics she'll have to figure out.
_booknerd_ Long-Term, I am looking to try a EM bra. I've always been looking at them but had no idea where to start. So now that I have a starting point that's good. I spoke to Judy at LevanaBratique, she has a 65K in stock for one of the BM styles..so she was saying i could start from there to figure out my size.
Meanwhile, I'm hoping I get the chance to stop by the local store out here, to check out what they have.
Thanks again for all the help. When I find my next bra, I'll be sure to let you know how that works.
On a side note...I tried measuring cup depth/etc. for the bras I currently have to enter into the system..but my measurements are way off from what the others have within the range..I feel like I'm not handling the tape measure very well. I tried the over the knee measurement, but I guess because it doesn't completely fill it my measurements are off?
parachute comment but thanks MamaPagan for linking BraObsessed, now I have a BM Fioletowy on the way (in a completely non sarcastic way, I wanted that bra but thought it was just discontinued and gave up on it. Turns out it's a Bra Obsessed exclusive heh). But rly, thanks to all the ladies for always being so helpful.
Yes, they've all been a great help ^_^
wendybien I hear you! Gorgeous designs, horrible wires (& wide gores....) They are so close to doable but not worth the pain, but I do understand why many love their wires. Gotta love our unique preferences, right? And thank you for taking the time to read my review for the additional information about the measurements. :-D
@Frazzleberry A 65K is a good one to start with. Hopefully it will work for you or at least give you a good starting point. :-) Once you figure out your ideal BM size, we can help you with sizing on Ewa's other styles as they do vary.
Measurements are a tricky thing and we all have our own unique method of measuring. That is the benefit of getting each and every bra entered is it helps to balance out any discrepancies. Do your best and enter the numbers as best you can. If you feel one is off you can always add that into the review so anyone researching the bra will have that information.
The figures can vary due to technique differences, bra age (many bras entered are used so those figures give a "softened" view of that model over time) and there will always be manufacturing variants. Yet every bra adds a piece of information to our bra sizing puzzle so we welcome each bra addition with joy.
brasaremean Haha! You're welcome :-) Fiowetowy can also be purchased direct from Ewa via email. Both BM and S style for sure, possibly PL and CHP. Two of the three Fiowetowy I tried were ordered direct.
wendybien thanks again.. Will be adding those measurements (and possibly one for Bravissimo Millie) once I get the hang of it.
MamaPagan Darn I didn't know I could order direct, would have preferred that!
brasaremean As they say, you don't know until you ask! :-D And I am always asking Kaska questions. ....... After the first one I got from Bra Obsessed, I asked Kaska since Jaime didn't have a larger cup. I figure ordering it direct is a lot faster, and possibly a wee bit cheaper. I got Kawa that way as well, which was also a Bra Obsessed exclusive. Jaime at Bra Obsessed is great, but when in custom sizing, it's so much easier/faster to order direct for sure.
Yeah mainly I would have preferred that because Poland is way way way waaaay closer to me than Canada lmao. Cheaper AND faster shipping.
Quite true! At least now you know for the future! :-D
Envy 30JJ I am adding this bra for data/informational purposes only. This Bra is not owned by me at the time of addition to the database.
Envy is an unpadded underwire balconette bra. I tried it in peacock blue, which is quite beautiful. The tops of the cups are a very stretchy lace. There are 4 parts to the cup, 3 vertical and 1 horizontal. I tried Envy in 30J and 30JJ, but this review is for 30JJ only.
The band measures 27” to a max of 34.5” with 3 hooks and 3 rows of eyes.
Cup Depth as measured by: 1 Hovering the cup between the knees, then placing the ...tape measure into the cups without any resistance. This measurement is: 13”
2 Placing the cup over the knee and stretching it similar to what a breast would, to the maximum resistance. This measurement is: 16”
I feel these two figures give you a general idea of the minimum and maximum depth that the cup can accommodate, just like the flat and stretched band measurements do with bands. Since Bratabase only has one cup field, I enter the larger of the two, as it’s this larger number that determines if a cup is going to fit me or not since I am on the max end of the cup scale, but do realize that some may need the lower number to determine fit for their needs, so I will always include both figures in the reviews for full disclosure. Read more 145 more words
Panache Paloma 30JJ I am adding this bra for data/informational purposes only. This Bra is not owned by me at the time of addition to the database. I returned this one prior to taking full measurements or photos. Sorry!
Paloma is an unpadded underwire balconette bra. The color/pattern is Black with red, grey, and white wispy splash on the cups. It is labeled as orange but there isn’t any orange on it. The red has a very slight orange hue to it, but it is what I’d call red way before orange. I tried this bra in 30J (twice), 30JJ, & 30K. This review is for the 30JJ.
The band ...measured 26.5” to a max of 32” with 3 hooks and 3 rows of eyes.
Cup Depth as measured by: 1 Hovering the cup between the knees, then placing the tape measure into the cups without any resistance. This measurement is: 14”
2 Placing the cup over the knee and stretching it similar to what a breast would, to the maximum resistance. This measurement is: 16”
I feel these two figures give you a general idea of the minimum and maximum depth that the cup can accommodate, just like the flat and stretched band measurements do with bands. Since Bratabase only has one cup field, I enter the larger of the two, as it’s this larger number that determines if a cup is going to fit me or not since I am on the max end of the cup scale, but do realize that some may need the lower number to determine fit for their needs, so I will always include both figures in the reviews for full disclosure. Read more 173 more words
Panache Tango Peppermint 30JJ I am adding this bra for data/informational purposes only. This Bra is not owned by me at the time of addition to the database. I returned it prior to taking full measurements or photos. Sorry!
Never been a fan of Panache but recently tried a few to see if they had improved. Nope. While the wires don't wrap nearly as bad as Panache normally do, they do still wrap around further than they should.
Band length 26.75-32.5" stretched with 3 hooks and 3 rows of eyes.
Underwires are 7" wide unstretched. The cup height at the center of the cup following the curve is 10.25" The ...center gore is 2mm (wires close set) with a height of 4.5". The sides are also quite high, with the wing under the arm being 6.5" tall.
Cup Depth as measured by: 1 Hovering the cup between the knees, then placing the tape measure into the cups without any resistance. This measurement is: 14”
2 Placing the cup over the knee and stretching it similar to what a breast would, to the maximum resistance. This measurement is: 15.5”
I feel these two figures give you a general idea of the minimum and maximum depth that the cup can accommodate, just like the flat and stretched band measurements do with bands. Since Bratabase only has one cup field, I enter the larger of the two, as it’s this larger number that determines if a cup is going to fit me or not since I am on the max end of the cup scale, but do realize that some may need the lower number to determine fit for their needs, so I will always include both figures in the reviews for full disclosure.
*Note that the Tango II in 30JJ measured ½” smaller in cup depth but stretched over the knee to ½” larger than the Tango 28JJ.
I am mad, I am so mad... 30jj that stretches up 34!!! Look at the band - it constructed to ride up, it made to have the back higher than the cups, wired cups are supposed to stay low and dig into your rib-cage. Have you read those reviews: "Band does not reach as far back (as Jasmine)" - LIE!!! it does. While straps were meant to be set closer (that has not worked out either) there is nothing, I mean NOTHING to prevent them from sliding back except huge band. - No side panel for straps to be attached to (meaning no forward projection, but squishing ...some tissue under the arm), so what the point to move straps? - to squish the front (top) of your boobs. Conclusion: instead of making side panel and deepen underarm crease, they brought sides higher and squished upper outer part of your boob and creating underarm wing (side double boob), with empty fabric. and yes, the sides are higher (what the point?) when all ladies complain of high poking wires. Are we living in 21 century Panache? Is it difficult to google reviews and make conclusion? Don't you have enough smart people to gather information and analyze it? I understand, that this review may not let me sell it to you guys, but someone has to tell the truth. I will keep this sucker and alter it to show that with the needle and some desire bras can be better. Those manufactures make money and keep ignoring their customers. They refuse to put slightest effort into better constructing bras. Learn from Polish bra makers - they are flexible and develop quickly. Read more 172 more words
This is my second envy this time in black and a smaller size I lost weight therefore new size . I was a bit disappointed that the 30jj is not as projected at the wires as the 32j I tried on however the 32j was way too large in the back . It's a minor quibble . On me I think it looks like a full cup but I am a short person . The black color is stiffer than the blue or mint as they called it but it softened with a wash ,hopefully will soften more . Quality overall seems good except that one underwire is worked it's way through the top underwire channel after only a handful of wearings and less than a month of owning . Only hand washing , so I was frustrated after paying almost 70.00 at my local bra shop grr. My last envy had this happen as well . But in this size not many choices so I would buy again .
I am currently 30K in panache Jasmine. Own both envys: 30JJ and 30K. I like Jasmine more because it not as wide as Envy and cup is longer (taller in terms more fabric at the center of the cup not in wires), more containing, not as open on top. I do sew center gore to bring wires closer together and add center fullness. Fabric is stiff but shape is grate. and I cannot wear wide-looking bras, because I am petite and much bigger on top (I wear size 2 pants) and this is my only option so far
I think stretch lace is one of my very best friends. I love the stuff. While this bra is a bit uncomfortable, the fit and appearance are so good that I got myself a second one (honestly, there's also the matter of availability on here). While I do like this, it will be listed with the others as I continue my quest to find the perfect bra.
Those straps look worse than Ewa's SF cuts. Ouch!!!