A great everyday essential. Envy is a cross between Andorra and Jasmine.
The cup construction is exactly the same as jasmine, with the deepest point being between the gore and the vertical seam. It has andorras gore - which makes wires sit further apart then jasmine, and also end up a little wider under the arms.
It allows more volume in the bottom of the cup then both jasmine and andorra!!! Better for those who need more immediate projection.
All this affects shape - profile is more round and lifted then andorras, but also slightly minimized like andorras. The front is less centered then Jasmine, the boobs do go out of your frame ...but in a very natural, round and lifted manner. It gives the perfect "purple shape" as described by Bras I hate and Love.
The stretch lace is different then the previous two, it is firmer and more substantial, giving better support from the top, but stil very forgiving. I also suspect this type of lace would hold up better through time.
Band is firm and stable, even more so then the Jasmine.
Materials are the comfiest by far compared to other two, love the houndstooth detail, I'd just like the lace to be less flowery, it would suit the pattern better.
Matching knickers are true to size and very comfy
Update: This bra is the best everyday bra I have ever owned. And even though I get better shape in cleos and jasmine, this bra is what I reach for most of the time. It works like a t-shirt bra for me. My love affairs with bras can be short infatuation, summer flings, passionate love and hate... But this one... I'm ready to marry this one
This is VERY similar in fabrication and construction to the Panache Jasmine (6951). It has the same fine stretchy quad-boob-defying lace across the top of the cups, and the lower cup has 3 vertical panels for a great rounded shape. These lower panels are made (as far as I can tell) from an outer net woven with a houndstooth pattern fused to a smooth inner net, so they are strong but soft and just slightly sheer. The straps are a simple striped elastic, no frills, felted underneath for comfort, from front to back - fully adjustable. Like the Jasmine I would say it's fairly supportive but the ...softness of the materials mean it's not completely bounce proof. Never the less it certainly gives excellent lift and round (not torpedo) projection for me. The wires aren't flared (wide) but not a true U-shape either (narrow) - they are perhaps a centimeter too wide on me if I were to nitpick but they are nice and close set at the gore, and like the Jasmine they lie flat on my ribcage like magnets on a fridge. [This is where I took a point off for comfort, and it's not really the bra's fault. Is there a bra out there with 80 cm of wiring that is moulded perfectly to my body, can hoist the ladies aloft and yet feel like nothing at all??] This is where the Jasmine and Envy differ for me. I have found that Jasmine digs into my sternum when I lean forward or reach across myself, and though the wires appear identical, I've not had this yet with the Envy. If anything the gore is a tiny bit taller BUT there is the improvement. That extra 6mm is a bit of empty wire casing that cushions the ends. One other difference, and I'm not sure yet how this plays: Jasmine has a single length of elastic which runs along the full lower edge of the band. Envy is constructed with elastic along the bottom of the wings and yoke, running under the cups and then crossing on the gore to anchor against the opposite cup. I'd be interested to know the benefits of these differences in mechanics. Oh - I did take a point off for quality too because while overall excellent it looks like the lace on the top panels is already pilled, and it came out the box like that.
The above review was for the black colour way.
I now have the nude version, same size, and have been wearing it for some time now. The black is slightly softer than the Jasmine but this colour is noticeably less supportive. I see no essential difference in shape but I don't think it has quite the lift, and I'm conscious of some wobble when I'm not wearing firmly fitting clothes. Also the straps lengthen throughout the day, to the point where they slip off my shoulders. Boo. That hasn't happened since I started wearing the right back size. I imagine the firmness of the black is due to the colour itself (black dye often results in stiffer fabric) and I'm not giving up on Envy but I thought it worth mentioning. Read more 424 more words
People, choirs of angels started singing when I put on this bra. It was epic.
Why do so few bras have much depth in the bottom of the cup? It hardly seems to be an unusual bra-fitting problem. Whatever the reason, if that's one of your problems, too, the Envy is well worth a try.
My breasts have average height/width roots, set low on my chest, and are self-supporting, with even fullness, average projection, and firm tissue. The Panache Envy just might be the only bra I've ever tried that has enough depth in the bottom of the cups that my breasts don't push down the underwires to find enough ...room (which seems to be their superpower). Can't and don't even want to. Wow.
My previous best fits were the Cleo Lily and Panache Jasmine (both also in 30FF), but while those are pretty good, neither of them have quite enough projection at the bottom of the cup, which leads to me needing to hike the underwires back up into my inframammary fold every couple of hours, just like other bras.
The Envy, though? I wore it all day yesterday and the underwires did. not. budge. No readjusting; no real need to think about my bra at all. Took off my bra at the end of the day, and there were the temporary red marks, right under the breast roots where they belong, rather than a finger's width below. The lovely round, uplifted shape it gives me is the icing on the cake. I have the [white person's] "nude" color, and I plan to buy the black and cassis colorways, too — and every other colorway Panache releases in the future.
I have never had a bra fit me this perfectly. Yet, I had to return it! Just thinking about it makes me want to cry, but even with a camisole and heavy weight Tshirt on top, there was a HUGE line visible with this bra! I can't handle that. I tried on so many shirts and it looked terrible. SO SAD!!!!!!!!
To start: my breasts are pendulous, soft tissue, short but wide roots, a splayed but somewhat close together, with a downward facing apex.
I'm not entirely used to wearing a 36 band (formerly a 42), but I was shocked by how comfortable it is! The material is stretchy without misshaping, and the wires have good flex without being deformed by the stretch. They snap back nicely. The internal seams are nice and smooth and after about 10 mins I'm not even aware that I'm wearing a seamed bra. (I'm only aware at all because I'm really conscious of seams.) It's not 100% as smooth as a moulded cup looks ...through a shirt, but as long as the shirt isn't very thin or clingy, it should go pretty well. The stretchy lace at the top of the cup forgives all manner of sins, and since I'm fairly even (as far as I know), it's great.
One thing I love especially is that the lace is not scratchy at all, and the bow between the cups is sewn on in the right place that it never pokes at you. The lace edge at the bottom of the gore and along part of the bottom of the cups is soft too!
To top it all off, when I showed my fiancé he was... Um, impressed? It's a very sexy bra, while being comfortable, and with out me hanging out all over. I was so afraid to make the jump to properly sized bras because I had the idea that "big" bras were all ugly cone-boob monstrosities.
I was so excited to try the Envy because it is based off of my beloved Jasmine. I got the nude color. Unfortunately there is a couple of little differences that make it a deal breaker. The center gore is a little wider than on the Jasmine, spreading out my boobs more. The side support panels are also little wider than on the Jasmine. These two elements together make my breasts look wider from the front and the bra digs into my armpits a little bit. As drownedsalad mentioned on the comments on this post, http://www.bratabase.com/profile/6uk/adventures/2597/ I think this is based more on ...the Emily frame with the Jasmine stretched lace on top. The center gore is identical to that of Emily (I've never tried the Emily, observation based off pictures). Also the gore feels slightly lower on the Envy and the cups angle down more as opposed to Jasmines which are more straight across. It also gives a lovely round shape. The sizing is consistent with Jasmine. I also wear a 34H in Jasmine. It's a lovely bra but if you are looking for an exact replica of Jasmine this ain't it. Sadly I had to send this one back. Read more 98 more words
I acquired this Envy quite cheap, secondhand from the buy/sell/swap subreddit. It's definitely been worn a few times (judging by the wear on the tag-- the lace itself seems to be in mostly solid condition). Also, it's possibly been put in the dryer, or in the washer, as the underwire seems to be slightly warped (though this could also be from age). The lace/band around the underwire won't seem to lay flat, but it doesn't affect the fit. I wanted to try the Envy, as it seemed that it might be deep enough in the cup, if loose in the stretch lace top. When I got it, I ...was right-- very comfortable, wasn't sliding out of my IMF nearly as badly, and the top lace was gaping like wild.
I decided to do a little experiment, given how inexpensive the bra was to begin with. I figured, if I ruined it, oh well-- now I know what definitely won't work. What I did was cut along the side of the stretch lace against the side panel of the bra, on each side. I also cut about .5" along the bottom (making an L shape and freeing the edge of the lace from the side panel of the bra). Then, I pulled the stretch lace tighter, about .5" or so at the widest point, and sewed it back on in an angle, so that the excess lace on the side made a triangle shape-- the widest point being at the top of the cup, the tip of the triangle at the bottom corner.
Doing this small and easy alteration proved to make all the difference-- there was now no gaping along the top edge at all. Of course, doing this does have one drawback-- as I only narrowed the top of the cup but not the bottom part of the cup, there will be a slight "nipple" in the fabric by the corner of the lace/side panel due to the extra fabric on the bottom accommodating for the shorter length of lace on top. However, it is barely noticeable, and definitely cannot be seen under shirts. If it were possible to do the alteration on the other side of the cup, the sides where the lace attaches near the gore, I think the alteration would come out a little nicer-- but there is just no extra room to sew. I'll also admit that I did this project as a complete novice seamstress; I can barely sew a button. The black textured lace on the outside of the bra saved my ugly stitches-- they are completely hidden in the fabric/color.
I also noted that I had a nicer, more rounded shape after tightening the lace-- which makes sense. The gaping, loose lace was not providing any extra support, while now it is. Overall, I don't think I would attempt this with a brand new, expensive bra. This is probably best saved for cheaper ones that you don't mind ruining, but I am pleased to say that this is officially my best fitting bra. Having wide/short roots with a lot of projection has proved to be a challenge for me... sometimes, you have to be creative! Read more 422 more words
This bra's measurements have been altered
I cut the stretch lace on top near the side panels, pulled it about .5" tighter, then restitched it in place. This prevents the stretch lace from gaping like crazy.
I bought this bra, along with the 30F - Freya » Gem Balcony Bra (1361), mainly as a fitting experiment. Both were recommended for women with short torsos. Panache is supposedly the widest wire width, good for wide root breasts, while Freya is generally the narrowest wire. I am not sure whether I have Broad Root Breasts, or just a lot of migrated tissue under and around my armpits on a very small rib cage due to 20 years of wearing a bra with a cup two sizes too small and a band two sizes too loose living in Orange in a ...Glass hell. I wasn't really enlightened about root size by comparing the two, but I can say this was a damn uncomfortable bra for me!
EVERYTHING rubbed in this bra: strap edges at connections in front and back, gore and armpit poking, the lace itself, the edges of the wings, the bottom edge of the band... Aarrrrggghh! Both bras actually felt like my ribs were pressing outward at the bottom of the band, causing the top of the gore and the armpit end of the wires to dig in. Because the Panache is so much more heavy duty than the Freya, the problem seemed more extreme. The Panache Envy wires are long, rigid and flat, almost like a metal picture frame. They felt heavy, intrusive and unforgiving. They did not want to bend around my body, even though the industrial strength mesh band forced them to (note my underarm picture - the wire extends all the way past the midline to my trapezius muscle). The deep "U" shape at the bottom of the Panache wire made them dig into my ribs right at the lower corner. I even got the jewelry pliers out and bent them to go over the rib at the edge of my sternum they were pressing on, to no avail. I did this with both bras -- the Freya Gem became slightly more comfortable, but not the Panache.
What is the definition of "wide" versus "narrow" wires, numerically speaking? I laid the two 30F bras on top of each other. Both were exactly 5.5" wide inside between the wire ends. The biggest difference was the shape of the curve and the fact that the Freya was .5" longer than the Panache, and spread open more as I stretched the band.
For those with small ribcages and wider roots, the distance from one outer wire tip across the frame of the bra to the other outer wire tip is 12.25" lying flat.
As a 46-year-old who breast fed two for two years each, I'm a bit deflated on top (think of a hardboiled egg laying sideways in a short sock). Although the four-part cup seemed like it would offer great uplift, the "U" shaped wire and stretchy lace fabric did me no favors. I cringe at the pictures I've posted. I think my petite frame, short height, and very sensitive, stretchmark-scarred skin just couldn't handle this bra.
On the other hand, my 20-year-old daughter who is also a 30F (though with a 26" underbust and plenty of all-around fullness), LOVED it and looked absolutely stunning in it! Read more 431 more words
I've owned this bra for a while and I'm refining my review!
This is the prettiest bra I've owned in a long time (which might be more a comment on me) but my husband LOVES the look of the black lace. And of course, that makes me feel pretty!
This bra gives a lovely round shape and I feel very lifted and supported. The stretch lace means that my bigger side isnt quadding and my smaller side isnt gapping, which is hard to find - I have a very big size difference.
However, it is really too shallow for me at the bottom. I need more immediate projection than this bra has. The result is that the bra is pushed down lower on my ribcage, causing the wires to really hurt me. I keep bending the wires, and each time I wear it I seem to be able to tolerate it a little longer. So I might not want to wear this to work, but its fine for shorter outings.
pros + full on top friendly due to stretchy lace + the color works quite well with my skin tone + quite narrow wires (in a 32JJ!)
cons - I am not able to wear it for a full day. The wires give me severe pain, the pressure of the gore is too much and I even get trouble breathing, I felt like this bra tried to kill me (more on that later on that review)
- Not enough lift from the center (it's not even the gore to blame, I don't think a taller gore would be much better...) it's just that all my boob volume gets distributed towards ...the center and there is nothing that really lifts there, so I kinda feel like my boobs will fall out of the bra at any time.
- Stretchy lace. Oh the issues I have with bras that are not roomy enough for my full-on-top boobs. Stretchy lace could be the solution for all the quadboob issues. But it's also a problem! It just doesn't give enough stability.
- I find the band quite big, I need to wear it on tightest setting and still can fill a whole hand under it! It's weird to think that I need a tighter band? Or does it just feel too big because the bra isn't that supportive?
- I dislike the projected shape. (Picture where I am wearing a black top) It's the side-support causing this, bringing boobs towards the center but since my boobs are already quite center heavy it gives me too much projection.
I figured out a way to make the shape less projected and the bra giving me more uplift (pictures with the white top): adjusting the straps shorter (it's actually not that difficult to adjust them further than the padded part of the straps allows) but then with the shorter straps it comes more strain on the shoulders. I need to wear the band on tightest setting to prevent it from riding up. With that the bra starts to feel very supportive but also quite constricting. A lot of weight is on the straps which causes neck pain and there is a a lot pressure on the gore which caused pain in my chest and felt like I couldn't breathe. After a whole day of wearing it got too much. I had to get out of the bra asap and cannot ( I don't dare to) wear it any more since then I even felt pain and out of breath after removing the bra I am very sad as I think this bra is pretty and a good design that will work on many different shapes. I think it will work very well on smaller, less heavy boobs. Read more 362 more words