Yesterday I received yet another Tango II Balconnet in size 30D. I got this one in Nude, because there are times when my brightly colored ones show through shirts. The strange this is the section which contains the underwires is .5"/1.27 cm longer than that same section in my Fuchsia Tango. The underwires themselves seem to be ...the same length, however the cup is noticeably taller by about .5 inch, and the wrinkling I experienced at the tips of the cups in my other 30Ds is gone. The Nude cups lift nicely without any puckering. These cups actually fit similarly to my brand new Jasmine, which has wider cups than my other 2 Tangos.
Is this a fabric dye issue? Could this be an "old" model or something? (I got it on an "only one left" sale from an Amazon vendor). I post pics in my profile to show the noticeable difference in fit.
Now I'm really frustrated, because the Nude fits beautifully, making me like less my Fuchsia and my Tutti Frutti.
Did you take pics? I'm just wondering because perhaps you have slightly less shallow breasts than I thought given that the Tango fits you well (according to yourself), even though most shallow breasted women avoid it like the plague.
I added a couple quickly - in a hurry. I will be able to take clearer photos tonight.
For me it fits "as good as it can" for what I've encountered in lightweight, wirefree bras. I know it's not a "fit" as in the "perfect" bra for me but I haven't yet found anything as (relatively) cool and comfortable for Phoenix summer weather. It's 104F degrees today...ahh, a cool spell, lol.
I have finally managed to make a rough compilation of the data gathered in this ancient bra adventure http://www.bratabase.com/profile/353/adventures/302/ and I think there is some interesting stuff to be learned from the exercise. I'll briefly present some first observations, but by all means, do join in with the discussion and share your insights!
First some quick notes as to what is visualised in the diagram as well as a reminder of the terminology used:
- this data represents about 35 participants, give or take a couple. Some have provided more than one result, which is why some names appear twice in the picture. Reasons for providing multiple results were (1) a significant difference between left and right breast, (2) a significant difference at different moments during the menstrual cycle, or (3) a significant difference between different ways of measuring underbust and breast perimeter.
- 'Breast root width ratio' (horizontal axis) indicates the amount of space the breast root takes up on the body, measured along the underbust line. 1,0 equals 50%, or from the centre of the sternum to the body's halfway point under the arm, the body's 'side seam' if you will. This point was chosen somewhat arbitrarily and in future renditions it may be shifted somewhat, but for now it seems a reasonably useful demarcation line between what I call 'narrow' ( 1,0) breast roots.
- 'Breast depth ratio' (vertical axis) indicates the relative amount of projection, with 1,0 equalling a 'perfect' hemisphere ('perfect' as in geometrical body, not as in ideal breast shape). This is chosen as demarcation line between what I call 'shallow' (<1,0) respectively 'deep' breasts. In words: a 'shallow' breast projects less than a hemisphere (its projecting radius is shorter than it's breast root radius), whereas a 'deep' breast projects more than a hemisphere (its projecting radius is longer than its breast root radius).
- above 'definitions' result in a division of the graph into four quadrants,: 'narrow shallow', 'narrow deep', 'wide deep', and 'wide shallow'. Of course, these terms are only indicative. In reality it is a gliding scale in all directions.
Now on to the preliminary results:
When I started gathering these data I was half and half (but not really) expecting to see some 'trends' or 'clusters' of similar shapes emerge that would 'back up' the different grading rule assumptions of the main bra-manufacturing companies. However, hardly surprising, reality shows no such order whatsoever: breast shapes are literally all over the place, albeit within certain apparent limits.
The first limit is what appears to be the minimum breast root width ratio. In this sample, nobody has reported a breast root ratio smaller than 0,8 or 40%, which is interesting as this really isn't terribly narrow, in the sense that it doesn't confine the breasts to the front of the body only. The biggest group of 'narrow rooters' is found in the 'narrow shallow' quadrant. Hardly surprising, this quadrant contains the smaller chested amongst us, many of which fall in the Busenfreundinnen category 'kleine Breitburst'. Maybe it's just me but I find this lightly ironic: no, our breasts are not wide -- breasts don't really come any narrower than this -- they are just shallow
The second limit is the minimum breast depth ratio. There's one measurement that dips below this imaginary line, but the 'sensible' minimum for this sample seems to be 0,7. Breasts don't really come much shallower than that, it appears.
The third limit is what appears to be a kind of 'diagonal ceiling' and perhaps the most interesting of all. No ratios have been reported that transgress the outermost diagonal line I drew in grey. This has led me to the following hypothesis: I'm thinking that these diagonals somehow correlate with cup size. I am guessing that people on the same diagonal roughly have the same cup size. Not in terms of absolute breast volume, but relative to their respective bodies, just how cup sizing works. It seems to work in the 'narrow shallow' quadrant and it appears to add up at the outer limit, so chances are it may work in between as well. I just have to figure out the exact spacing between the lines and who knows -- I may have found a new tool to determine cup size (with underbust as rough bandsize indicator, I gather). Anyway, the way I drew the diagonals in this diagram is purely indicative of this idea. The lines have not been 'trued' in terms of their spacing and as such they don't correspond to cup sizes YET but the notion is there.
Two caveats:
- the accuracy of the measurements underlying the results: no single method has been followed, so individual measurements may not be 100% comparable. However, as a rough sketch I believe the information in this 'scattergram' is interesting and informative enough. I do hope to rerun the experiment in a more systematic manner soon (maybe tie it up with @Vee's SIZEM calculator somehow?) and gather more as well as more precise and consistent data.
- the ratios calculated here only refer to the horizontal dimensions of the breasts. They don't say anything about vertical dimensions and as such ignore aspects like shortness or tallness of breast tissue. In an ideal world, maybe a third axis could be added to reflect these aspects as well, but for now this diagram already offers quite a lot of food for thought, so lets not run too much ahead of ourselves ... Read more 866 more words
Just wondering if you usually bargain over listing prices. I've always paid what's asked, though the couple times I've tried to sell I usually get bargained down. I'm starting to wonder if I should pad my listings sometimes.
I've always paid what ever is asked and sometimes a little more because I feel guilty that I'm getting such a good deal and I don't want to be unfair.
I have mixed feelings about this. I think it might be worth bargaining down if someone lists something for way above the market price. At the same time though, some women paid a lot for the bras they are selling and list it for a much lower price, so it's a little rude to ask to pay less. In my opinion, if you have a problem with the price, you should try to buy it somewhere else. If I see a listing outside my price range, I just don't even consider buying it because I have a budget. I respect that the bra in question cost the user a lot of money that I can't afford to help them recoup. If a bra is outside my budget, I will offer an exchange since I have a lot of bras that don't fit me.
Don't be afraid to tell them that you can't afford to take less than what you listed a bra for. I really like what brasihatelove said about selling and bargaining. You need to consider how much a bra is worth to you when choosing a price. http://brasihate.blogspot.com/2013/02/thoughts-tips-on-selling-bras.html
Also, if someone buys multiple bras from me at once, I sometimes give them a better deal than buying the bras separately. Other than that, I try not to waver from what I'm asking because it's usually already going to lose me money if I bought it full price and seldom wore it.
Has anyone else noticed that EM seems to have serious difficulties in sending the correct multiway straps for each size (at least Onyx)?
Already some time ago I ordered a 70G CH Onyx, which came with straps narrow enough. In March, I ordered a 65H CH Onyx, and now a 65HH PL Onyks, which both came with straps with too wide ...hooks. The CH Onyx straps were completely useless, they glide right off and I couldn’t use them unless I sew them put, which kinda makes the whole multiway idea go poof. The straps that came with the PL Onyks are not that bad, but I really don’t feel secure in them, either.
I tried (emphasis on _tried_) ordering a whole extra set of straps with narrow hooks for the CH. I placed the order for a smaller cup size (65G I think), but wanted to make sure I’ll get the narrow straps so I asked this separately by e-mail. Not surprisingly, the message didn’t really get through to Dominik.
First he claimed all straps are of the same width, even though they specifically state on their site exactly the contrary. I then sent him a picture of the two straps, explaining the issue. I told him that I need straps with the NARROW hook, the straps on the right in the picture.
He comes with incomprehensible questions such as “You want them to be there as normal straps right ?”, “in Your order there are straps as a separated product. Do You want me to change original straps in CH Onyks ?” and “I asked about if You want those straps from Your e-mail You have order one pair of straps as a product.” I reply again and again that I need narrow straps, as on the right in the picture, for a CH Onyx I already own [because they sent the wrong straps in the first place].
Guess what I got? That’s right, the straps with the WIDE hooks, as on the LEFT in the picture. Well, luckily I can use those with the PL Onyks which came with even wider straps that are too wide (ta-daa!), but I still don’t have a functional set of straps for the CH Onyx. Urrrgghghhhgh.
If anyone happens to have extra straps for the Onyx, such as in the picture, on the RIGHT, with the NARROW hooks (am I clear enough? ), I would be really interested in buying them. I’ve given up hope with ever receiving the correct ones from EM.
(Why oh why can’t any other lingerie firm sell 65H halfcups for a reasonable price?) Read more 376 more words
You may be better off just trying to buy some multi-way straps. I know that in Australia, I can get them from Bras & Things or the Bendon shop. You can even bring the bra with you to check that the hooks will be the right size for the clips.
My other solution would be to sew on different loops. You could make some out of ribbon to be the right width for the other straps, and that should be pretty straight-forward (I don't know if you can sew or not)
Dammit, you're right! I'm wearing my CH Onyks 65H at the moment, with the regular straps, and I quickly went to check if I have anything for you (sorry, I don't), and while I was checking I noticed that the hook on the comfort straps is wider! That's why the one strap kept on coming undone when I tried to wear them!
Hey guys, I just installed this annoying feature on the site:
Now, in order to be able to receive a transfer all users must have accepted the "Buyer's agreement", which is pretty much a checkbox saying that as a good Bratabase citizen you will add back the bra to the site and not run away with it.
You won't be ...able to transfer your bras to users that have not accepted this agreement.
All users will be prompted to accept this up on first communication to any seller regarding a listing ("contact user" link in listings), so most likely everybody that reaches you from now on must have accepted this. Only those existing coordinations will need to do this manually.
I'm sorry to do this, but the Listings are a really great asset of the site because we learn a LOT about how the same bra fits many people and smooths out measuring error, and it irks me a lot when I see bras going and never coming back :-/
I know most of you lovely ladies already do this and I thank you tons! I would go ahead and manually check this for you, but I need you to be aware of this to teach new users as I see a number of new accounts getting bras and never adding back Read more 164 more words
I'm desperate to get my mom into some new bras. I know she wears the wrong size, but she says wearing the right bra isn't a priority. She likes her bands loose and has been cutting out underwire for years. She's probably a 30 or a 32 in band and maybe a D in cup. But she won't wear them. ...And won't let me measure them.
So. . . if she won't let me put her in a good bra, at least I could get her some new bras. Plain, beige, black, or white is all she'll wear. And no push-ups.
Shame she doesn't think that wearing a good bra is a priority. Read more 58 more words
I have sportsbras that are 34 and 36. I used to wear the 36 ones. When I thought I was a 34 C or 34 B. I also have 2 34 c's and 1 34 B. Also have 36 B and a 34 nearly C. I would give them away. Some of my sports bras are brand new and they are supposed to fit 36 b, 34c, and 32D. Ok just let me know if you want any. :)
That would be fantastic! Could I get the 36B sportsbra from you? My mom currently wears one that squishes her boobs together. I'll send you a message
Went to a local-ish store that actually sells a lot of D+, small band size bras. All of which were still disappointing, that is to say, were more at minimizers or full coverage. I'm 24, and I have pretty legit boobage, I am allowed to look like that while wearing a bra that fits, aren't I?
Hate minimizers. They push your boobs under your arms.
I didn't know that about minimizers. I got armpit boobie fat I think from wearing sportsbras cause normal bras never felt right. I knew something was seriously wrong when I first tried on a 32 D and it was too tight in the front bottom of the cups. Yes Caters you are (to your question) And I wish I looked like that in a Freya bra!
What does it mean when the underwire on a bra sits like an inch or so below your breasts? Is this a sign of a poor fit?
I'm really confused now. I have one bra that is pretty comfortable, but I get the quad boob thing with the top sometimes (not always, but after wearing it for awhile.. quad boobs...), and ...the center gore doesn't sit flat against my skin. So, from that, I would assume that I need to go up a cup size or two. I don't think the bands a problem -- it doesn't ride up and feels comfortably snug -- but I wonder, if I go up to an FF or G cup, do I need to go down a band size to get the same snug bra band?
Anyway, like I was saying... this same bra has another problem -- the underwire sits an inch or so below my breasts, even with the straps adjusted tightly. From this, I would assume that I'm not filling out the cups as fully as I think I am, but since I'm getting quad boob, obviously I need a bigger cup size... but I think the underwire issue would occur with a bigger cup size, too. Read more 146 more words
It usually means that the bottom of the cup is too shallow for you, preventing your tissue from dropping into that space, or it can be the 'orange in a glass' effect (http://bustyresources.wikia.com/wiki/Orange-in-a-glass_effect). Both of these could even be causing the quadboob; even if the volume of the bra should really be correct for you, you're not getting to use it all.
I agree that the cups are probably too small, so the bottom part of your breast only fits in the smallest part of the cup, then the weight just naturally pushes the wire down. It may also mean that the band is too big so it's not supporting your breasts, it's being dragged down by them. If you think the wire is a good fit for your root you may just need a deeper cup style. Regardless, it sounds like you need a smaller band. Try to assess each component separately (band, wires, cups, in that order) to identify where the issue is. If they all seem ok but the bra as a whole doesn't fit, it's probably a style issue, not a fit issue.
Anyone having the same problem as me after TLL changed her layout? I can't scroll down smoothly, and the cursor won't turn into a pointy hand at the post title, making me can't click at the link sometimes! And it also loads a lot slower? Is just me and my shitty connectionnnnnn? I love the old layout.
It is not your connection, the new layout is ~very~ slow to load, mostly because it has lots of stuff to download and those front page image previews are not optimized, each of those images is 2 or 3MB each! they should be thumbnails but they are full fledged pictures straight out from the camera almost! The full page download is 25MB and on a slowish connection where I'm at it took 4m to get all that data. Having such big images resized by the browser will definitely hit performance, and the scroll issues you're having are mostly a hardware issue, but it happens because the images are so huge :S
The internal pages are much better though.
Yeah, I can't look at it at home with my slow computer. We should probably let her know.
Did you take pics? I'm just wondering because perhaps you have slightly less shallow breasts than I thought given that the Tango fits you well (according to yourself), even though most shallow breasted women avoid it like the plague.
http://www.bratabase.com/bra/dhymh/
I added a couple quickly - in a hurry. I will be able to take clearer photos tonight.
For me it fits "as good as it can" for what I've encountered in lightweight, wirefree bras. I know it's not a "fit" as in the "perfect" bra for me but I haven't yet found anything as (relatively) cool and comfortable for Phoenix summer weather. It's 104F degrees today...ahh, a cool spell, lol.
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