This is the bra that I would recommend for a woman trying to find her first correctly fitted bra online.
It's extremely supportive and probably provides the most perky shape of all my bras. It's almost a little retro! However there are no stiff seams at the nipple so it's not overtly pointy.
The lace on the top of the cup is very stretchy. The band is firm but also very stretchy and moves as you breathe nicely.
I can wear this bra in a few sizes and there are no obvious fitting flaws. It's the most forgiving bra I've tried. The lace is firm but stretchy and won't dig in. But in the 30G (my standard bra size) this is the most comfortable.
That's why I'd recommend it to a first timer desperately trying to self fit and paying a small fortune in online returns: you'll get close to your perfect size and still be able to wear the Andora comfortably. For your 2nd bra you can work on something more exacting in the fitting department!
Oh this explains it! I'm not the only one getting away with fitting Andorra in different sizes :D I thought it was just me. I could never get away with other bras like this. It's truly superior yes!
I am in a place where there are no brick and mortar shops. I can order online, but returning is next to impossible. I was very discouraged when I first ordered a range of sizes in another bra and none of them fit. I got them on a sale but still. I read online reviews that said that the Andorra was quite forgiving but was still uncertain. Your recommendation helped me make up my mind (as someone desperately trying to self fit) and I have not regretted it. I ordered two sizes and they both fit. And for myself, I like the perky shape as well. In the future, I might experiment with some other bras, but I will definitely order this again. Or I might also try the other elastic lace Panache models.
My shape: Projected, narrow, shorter roots, even/functionally full on bottom, soft tissue. Cleo Lily fits me best.
This bra fits true to size in the band, and probably true to size in the cups (or maybe a little small?). My larger side is too big for most of my bras right now, so that's skewing my assessment, unfortunately. I may wait a week or two and try it on again.
I was worried this bra wouldn't have enough depth at the wire, and I was right. As much as I tried shoving the wires up, I couldn't get them all the way into my IMF. The wires are also too wide for me, so I think that's contributing to the empty space at the bottom of the cups.
I was really hoping this bra would work for me, but sadly it will be returned.
It amazing to me that even in a 4 part cup it's still too shallow at the bottom. Why is it just Poland that's figured out how to do immediate depth in a padded bra??
I know I'm joining the chorus here, but I got this a few weeks ago, and it's become my go-to bra. I'd tried the Andorra in the past, but found the shape a little pointy and the wires too long--I'm 5' 3", with relatively high set breasts. The Jasmine fixes both those problems--possibly because it's cut larger (or just deeper?) in the cup, allowing me to take my regular size (30G), rather than sizing up like I have to with the Andorra. The wires on the Jasmine 30G are only an inch or so shorter than those on the Andorra 30GG, but that's the difference between being stabbed ...in the armpit vs. not.
I really like the front and center, uplifted shape. More importantly, this is the most supportive bra I currently own. Not sure quite why it's so fantastic in the regard--the wires are still slightly too wide, but that's true for me of all the bras I've tried except for Ewa Michalak. I think the fact that the wires are fairly stable/non-flexy may help.
Oh, and the stretch lace is just as awesome as everyone says for working with asymmetry. Read more 85 more words
Fits well (tight) in the band, and fits very nice in the cups, with a smooth line at the top of each, no spill over at all. The cup is seamed, so it's definitely not a tshirt bra as the seams did show through the few different tshirts I tried it with.
Profile from the side is pretty rounded, not pointy at all. View from the front is good, and not wide. I wish it had a touch more lift, but honestly it's actually quite good.
The underwires aren't the most comfortable at first, although I think I'd probably get used to them. Also, the band is somewhat scratchy ...on the skin in certain areas, not sure if this is due to the lace or what....I think it would probably lessen with washings and wear.
Straps are too far apart, but this is an on-going problem for me. I haven't had a strap slip on it yet, but I do feel potential for slippage. Thought not ideal, using a strap accessory in the back would fix this for me. I often have a problem with straps pulling at my armpit when I reach forward, however that does not happen with this bra, which is nice.
Also worth mentioning...when walking, there is a little bit of bounce, which I'm not crazy about. This might just be me and not something that happens for other people, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
At this point I'm going to return the bra as I don't really need it right now, although it does fit so I may possibly pick one up in the future. Read more 161 more words
Fits ribcage 27-29 B. perimeter 9.5-12 (many test subjects here) Stretched Band 28.5 up to 30.7 (when the cups can crush your boobs to bits and give the band slightly more length) Band Length 23.5 Stretch ratio 1.3 Cup width 7.0 at bottom of cup near band Cup depth 8- 8.5ish (from side seam to gore, slight give due to upper stretch lace at gore) Depth ratio 1.2 Wire length (none, but there SHOULD be) Cup height 9 -Side seam height 5.5" -center seam height in middle of cup 6" tall -inner seam height near gore 2" long -upper lace panel 3" ...high Cup separation 0.0 Gore height 4.2 Wing height 4.0 Strap width 0.6 Strap length 10" at shortest to 15" fully extended Hooks 3
Tested over last 2 months on several short & evenly full breast types, short upper bodies (extreme petite & smaller framed, to generally petite), with various shoulder widths. It's non-compatible with many body types or any need for immediate projection on average width shapes... I can only surmise this wireless style is meant for a very low set, super soft/loose skinned, very narrow rooted, semi-shallow evenish shape that is centered very close to the sternum & doesn't extend anywhere near the side of one's body or arms at all, under any circumstances. Despite having a much taller cup than other styles in this same size range it's not a fullcup, has no side control (unless we're counting it's arm sawing features), and cannot tolerate any tissue extending diagonally to the neckline. Even though the side panels are infinitely TALLER than the inner where breasts should rest next to one another, Imogen Wireless is also nothing like a plunge. Despite the nice soft stretchy lace upper panel, Imogen Wireless' tiny elastic on the same stretch panel cuts in sharply toward the body at the top for no clear reason which has caused endless ugly wrinkling for those who it was tested on... even if that narrow elastic was not there the upper lace is made to cut backwards into the breast rather than allow for even or upper fullness. What this style does have is a very pretty retro shape when draped and supported in a bowl, which quickly wrinkles, collapses and digs typically looking like hot trash on humans and dress forms and mannequins because all involved in this experiment are too rounded below and full for it's pattern. Heartbreaking!
What Imogen Wireless does offer are gorgeous fabric and aesthetics. Sleek and sturdy and for the most part good quality (with exception of the endless loose threads hidden with weird channeling over open seams). It's glamourous & looks high end on the whole. Reminiscent of vintage bullet bras, but make it natural & much less conical. Panache tried something here. Better than average wireless cup shape, there's some slight effort at curving the panels along the outer bottom panel, center seam and lower inner along what might be considered a gore. We get something like a pushup plunge meets sports bra, but it's still their classic 7 cup shape meets vertically oval compression vest. The shape this creates, ironically allows very little volume below apex & barely any above, and like almost all panaches which love to pretend bottom fullness doesn't exist, we lose a LOT of lower cup depth to the fake 'lift' built into the pattern there... when the bra is worn this cup flattens the bust horizontally in a terrible way dragging tissue outwards to the pits to cause bustline to look something like the classic Duckbill effect, or VV when seen from the front, which is probably pretty impressive if actually one rips the stupid lace panel entirely off the top. Everything about the rest of this bra is merely another flatening ornate lace tube without any of the built-in stretch/give that makes other wireless bras wearable, or fullness patterned in for anyone who requires depth for curvature. This creates an ULTIMATE AGONY BINDER, but now with the barest MEAGER SLIVER OF CLEAVAGE. Horizontally. On top. So this muffining 'cleavage' bisects any and all breasts into a bottom pair of breasts and an upper pair. The tall of root the short rooted and average alike https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" /> It hates us all. Why then must these bizarrely placed straps eagerly saw into this quadded compressed tortured tissue like a pair of rabid wolves. Nobody has appreciated this so far.
The back of the band and frame is fantastic for an absolutely madhouse tiny body, placing the straps a scant 4.5 to 5" apart, straps resting naturally about 6" apart from one another when allowed to rest naturally when laid flat. This is one of the better things I've ever had the pleasure of purchasing in the bra world, I'd LOVE to see it happen more often! Meanwhile the straps and where the cup attach require both a massively wide and tall upper torso with relatively NO boobs on it except at the sternum. A wide upper bust gets cut into and the lovely severe quadding. When laid flat it would appear that this is supposed to fit only 8" apart where straps attaches to the top of the cups, but that's IF the upper cup panel can actually fit diagonally like a V in the front which it hasn't & cannot fit like on any tiny shouldered, tiny ribbed teens who've tried it. Realistically the straps rest about 12.5" apart which is more suitable on my own 18.5" wide shoulders. It neither works for the insanely tiny body (my teen whose size this is), nor myself at the other extreme with my gigantic shoulders & larger breasts that can take pretty much any and all side set straps... Imogen seems to be made for only a tiny narrow back, extremely LARGE or possibly quite wide chest plate with a bird-breasted protruding ribcage like a boat prow, arms which then extend diagonally backwards from one's side toward the rear of their body and of course... very narrow roots set together in very front with quite squishy tissue that can be cajoled into 2 shallow 00 's with the tops cut off. But you know the cups REQUIRE resistant tough tissue to hold the entire mess in place (because we've done away with the underwires that would have held the cups in correct position), and it hurts horribly on everyone with tougher titties.
God. Why. The. Hell.
I honestly can't begin with the conflicting design concepts happening in this one.
Panache.
Just put the gd wires back ON this one. It's clearly a nice bra WITH the correct support to hold the structure where it belongs. And while we're at it, stop with the shitty massively tall cup side extending from the wing to strap killing our arm nerves. Everyone on earth hates this shit. Do better ffs.
There's more to this but I'm so freaking tired of trying to make it work out. Might update in comments in the future if it can be frankensteined into.. idk what, anything better than what this is. Read more 1124 more words
Elan Luxe is a true plunge, not especially projected or short one but at least it's not lying about what it should fit like in that regard. Sadly this bondagy-strappy style isn't a true multiway, and one must struggle through a network of random ribbony bits & armholes pulled on over one's head and fuss with it awhile to get the cups down, straps smoothed out, and... uh well we haven't really figured out the 'making it fit' part out except on accident a few times now. Getting the straps in the right place and tensioned properly is not a do-it-yourself, routine. To those who ...can manage it for regular wear, bravo, you are our hero.
Typical too tall wide shallow cup designed for a totally different body size than a 30 band suggests, attached to nice short wires. Wires that aren't made of rebar, and don't dig into the petite kid this was bought for, or myself when I attempted to try it on for size. The sides of the cup totally saw into the tiny kid's armpit and shoulder, because why of course they do. On my massively wide upper chest they press against my shoulder in a firm way but I didn't get terribly uncomfortable... just wish it wasn't designed as piss poor as it is. I can't speak to the what the cup shaping is meant for, it's sort of flattening overall except for the very front and center region of the cup. Muzzle? Minimizer? in a Plunge? On one hand Elan Luxe Plunge affords some roundness for fullness (wahoo), but it's still basically focused around the apex which is not pointy or conical this time... on the other the most likely shape this would suit will need to be rather shallow on the outer side. I'm impressed that this does have a little more room to spare in the lower center next to gore but it doesn't feel like a true inner full design by any stretch of the imagination, just that they forgot to take away space there too. The flimsy, strappy decoration along cup edge is not attached to the cup, but runs from the gore to strap. Sadly there's no distance between this decorative detail and the actual cup edge so it becomes lost appearing to be part of the cup edge, or falls inside the cups. The O rings where straps attach to the cups, creak quietly as grinding teeth, though it's plotting something ominous, or is merely haunted as the occasional abandoned ship at sea is. Unsurprisingly, we only get 2 piddling hooks for this size which seems stingy of Panache to do, but who knows what criteria they're using to determine what merits a 3rd hook.
It's not wildly uncomfortable which I chalk up to using some basic soft stretch satin and barely stretch satin straps. Comexim tends to do better. This is a decent quality bra which I state only as the quality of many easily accessible brands is terribly low. Elan Luxe is not an especially high quality style and I wouldn't expect this to last more than 6 months of constant wear without pilling, developing runs, band streching out, the size and material information being worn off among other odd ends falling off. Read more 447 more words
Comparing to my Ewa Michalak BM Chilli https://www.bratabase.com/bra/dngbo/, which should only be one cup smaller (30G in Panache vs 32F in Ewa) as the Chilli bra is a band size up...the underwire on the Panache is 1.8 inches longer, whoa!
I'm attaching pictures where you can see: there is space in between where my breast root ends, and where the wire continues past my breast root on the side. Well past where my breast root ends, lol. there's also a little space underneath my breast - more so than with the Ewas - I'm guessing this is because of the shape of the ...wires. I know the underwires can be bent slightly at the bottom, to ensure a better fit since in the mailing of the bra, it was probably smooshed flat. But I didn't bother b/c the wires on the side are SO WIDE, I'm going to send it back anyways.
Maybe the Envy is more the "average root" person and my roots are quite narrow.
The cups are comfy though, +1 for the Envy.
The band - yea!!! Finally a band that fits good (I have been wearing 32's mostly, and I now realize - I am just not a 32. With a 29" measurement, I have to at least wear a 30 band.
I'm not sure that the fabric is a little stiffer b/c of the dark dye (this one is navy) compared to the Nude envy I tried on in size 30FF, but it stretches TTS. The design is quite flattering, and the stretch lace helps with breast asymmetry (yea!).
Overall, a solid bra, it looks good. However, the wires were just too wide. I ordered this to determine if I am a 30G (I seem to be in between 30FF and 30G r.n.).
Ewa Michalak might be the brand for me. Her bras are $70 min. Not complaining about the price b/c they are quality, it's just that I usually have to order them from Europe to have a decent price, not in Canada. Read more 236 more words
BraOdyssey i personally find panache wires to be wide, tall, and very stiff and painful. LOL. Cleo bras on the other hand, seem to work better for me in terms of width and gore. But now I can’t deal with anything that isn’t Polish. sigh
margesimpson, I've never tried Cleo! I like the look of Cleo Spencer bra, but I would have to sister-size up to purchase it. It's on the Belle-Lingerie Ebay store r.n. I'm addicted to checking Ebay for bras, lol.
BraOdyssey too funny I literally just bought a bra from belle lingerie. I need to slow down the bra shopping lol
LOL, I’m in the gotta -slow - down- the - bra- buying boat too, and yes, despite this, I am still obsessively checking EBay for bras. Aaaack!
I also check Comexim.pl, and Ewa-Michalak.pl for sales, lol. Can't forget the Polish brands!
dagmarwulfe , but it is a little addicting to check Ebay, lol. You'll never know what you'll find! And once it's gone, it's gone.
BraOdyssey , so true! I think that’s part of the appeal for sure.
A comfortable bra, but not the right shape for me (FOB, narrow roots, projected). The wires are too wide for me, and the lift is not sufficient - if you have wide roots and are somewhat full on top, you might really love this bra. The quality is excellent, the material feels nice, and is not scratchy.
I bought this because the Panache website said it was modeled on the popular Panache Black Ardour Sweetheart Moulded Bra (7951) . This bra fits decently for a molded cup in my size range, but overall I don't like it as much as the Ardour. It's only slightly cheaper, but definitely feels less luxurious. This isn't to say there's anything wrong with the materials or construction--its a just noticable having them side by side, the Ardour has smoother, silkier, and more delicate materials.
Fit: I appreciate the fairly low wings and thin straps (I know most people like thicker straps for support, but I appreciate having some "dainty" looking straps to wear under tank tops). The cups have decent projection at the bottom, but are shallow near the gore. As a result my center fullness pushes the wire down out of my IMF.
It is remarkable the difference subtle pattern changes create in regard to fit. Center projection and wires pushing down: ouch. Looks beautiful on you!
The fit of this bodysuit surprised me in a good way. Bodysuits usually present a fit issue due to the fact that we all have different torso lengths and body proportions. I'm just under 5'7, which is not on any extreme end of tall or short, but I do often wish there was about another inch of length-wise fabric in one pieces like bodysuits and rompers. However, the 30G - Panache » Confetti Thong Body (4075) fit my torso well enough. I've read some reviews that the bodysuit was too short in the torso and couldn't be done up in women who are a few inches ...shorter. Those reviewers did note that it could be because they were filling the bodysuit width-wise thereby taking up some fabric that would have been distributed to length. So it appears that this fit me not because it's a magic bodysuit, but rather because I got lucky with the proportions. There is a bit of puckering on the sides of the waist, but nothing that bothers me too much. The bra itself fit exactly as expected. It's provides a neutral shape (not pointy nor round) and feels pretty stable. It actually feels pretty awesome for an unlined bra. The only thing is I wish the gore didn't come up so high. I don't have enough space between my boobs to accommodate that gore https://d28qt14g3opchh.cloudfront.net/smileys/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" /> Read more 132 more words
Too closed in the top of the cup, I think. Maybe sizing up would fix the issue with the weird shape? Not sure. Too tight in the band. Otherwise it's nice. Wire widths are good.
It fits!! It's just like my Cleo Marcie Balconnet Bra (6831), and fits the same, with a few minor issues like too wide wires and gore, but 1. I have ridiculously narrow boobs and get these problems in pretty much every bra, and 2. the bra stays up and isn't uncomfortable after a full day's wear (which is why I've marked them both as fitting). The shape is upfront and rounded, with good lower projection and an open top, like Marcie, and the fabrics are soft and not rough and itchy like in all the other Panache main brand bras I've tried. The colour is a gorgeous deep wine red with a lovely floral/rose print on the cups. This was my last try with Panache, and I'm very happy I didn't have to give up on them completely (especially with the white floral colourway coming out in SS15!)
It's a perfect fit and very comfortable thanks to the soft and smooth material. The straps are narrow, separate and don't adjust short enough, but it's not an issue as most of the support comes from the band and cups. They did pinch a little after a long day, though only when I raised my shoulders.
The band feels considerably bigger than any of my 28's. I went straight for the tightest hooks. I tried the non-destructive center gore fix, but the wires started riding up and down my ribs with the slightest movement. For this reason I prefer bras that have an elastic band below the wires. If ...the band loosens up, I have to take in from the back too to keep the cups in place.
It does give a somewhat wide and bulky (minimizer-style) look with tight tops, but at the same time causes more bulging with buttoned shirts than any of my other bras. There's only a handful of clothes I can wear with it. I probably wouldn't buy again even if they expanded the size range. Read more 71 more words
Sometimes I feel like Panache's Porcelain bras were made based off a fit model with similar proportions to mine. I can literally order any variation of this style and be fairly confident that it will fit.
I like the lace detail and nude-ish color of this bra (in Mocha). My only concern is that the lace will fold up or age quicker than the rest of the bra, but it looks to be decent quality.
This fits pretty similar to other Porcelain bras. I would say good for wider, lower boobs. The straps are NOT fully adjustable.
The wires are shorter than the fabric tube (2cm shorter!). So they can be moved either to the arms or to the center. Therefore the outer end of the wire is not at the end of the bra and the pointy end of the wire digs into my side/armpit. Very uncomfortable.
This Clara 30G was not a perfect fit at all but I kept it. It's comfortable, old colors are cheap, and the interior side support panel seemed ideal to mod into a nursing bra.
I really like how the Clara style feels & looks on, so I've long wanted a "close enough" size. I don't think it's scratchy at all, and the lace is very cute. The band is wide and feels good. Even if I have to get a 30 and the band isn't snug, even if the shape ends up a little splayed ... Clara feels comfortable. I really appreciate the side support fabric panel ...inside a lot.
As pictured, the wire is too wide everywhere -- nowhere near my IMF, laughably far to be honest. Similar to my photos on the 30FF but the 30G gives a little more room. But I'm not a 30, so I guess that's one reason the bra could be wide. (I'm a 28 but Clara doesn't come in 28). It still feels OK to wear, OK enough to keep at a heavy sale price. Read more 76 more words
The bra does a good job of holding everything in place which is probably related to low stretch in the cup and the fact that it's a full cup. My main concern is that the straps are too wide for my frame and dig into my armpit area over the course of the day. The overall shape is not too bad but it's not as rounded as I would like. I'd give it 4 stars out of 5 because it's pretty close. I do know that a 30FF in this bra fits me better but I had already bought the 30G when I found that out.
Cups and gore were both slightly too wide for me and there's not enough projection. Otherwise, this is an excellent bra. Very comfortable, and looks very pretty.
Oh this explains it! I'm not the only one getting away with fitting Andorra in different sizes :D I thought it was just me. I could never get away with other bras like this. It's truly superior yes!