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Bras » Panache » Envy Balconnet Bra (7285) » 30F 30:7

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Fits ribcage75.2
B. perimeter27.1
Stretched Band76.1
Band Length61.5
Cup width13.5
Cup depth24.8
Wire length24.9
Cup height16.5
Cup separation2.4
Gore height7.0
Wing height9.3
Strap width1.5
Hooks2

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  1. 2
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    Didn't fit

    I bought this bra, along with the 30F - Freya » Gem Balcony Bra (1361), mainly as a fitting experiment. Both were recommended for women with short torsos. Panache is supposedly the widest wire width, good for wide root breasts, while Freya is generally the narrowest wire. I am not sure whether I have Broad Root Breasts, or just a lot of migrated tissue under and around my armpits on a very small rib cage due to 20 years of wearing a bra with a cup two sizes too small and a band two sizes too loose living in Orange in a ... Glass hell. I wasn't really enlightened about root size by comparing the two, but I can say this was a damn uncomfortable bra for me!

    EVERYTHING rubbed in this bra: strap edges at connections in front and back, gore and armpit poking, the lace itself, the edges of the wings, the bottom edge of the band... Aarrrrggghh! Both bras actually felt like my ribs were pressing outward at the bottom of the band, causing the top of the gore and the armpit end of the wires to dig in. Because the Panache is so much more heavy duty than the Freya, the problem seemed more extreme. The Panache Envy wires are long, rigid and flat, almost like a metal picture frame. They felt heavy, intrusive and unforgiving. They did not want to bend around my body, even though the industrial strength mesh band forced them to (note my underarm picture - the wire extends all the way past the midline to my trapezius muscle). The deep "U" shape at the bottom of the Panache wire made them dig into my ribs right at the lower corner. I even got the jewelry pliers out and bent them to go over the rib at the edge of my sternum they were pressing on, to no avail. :-( I did this with both bras -- the Freya Gem became slightly more comfortable, but not the Panache.

    What is the definition of "wide" versus "narrow" wires, numerically speaking? I laid the two 30F bras on top of each other. Both were exactly 5.5" wide inside between the wire ends. The biggest difference was the shape of the curve and the fact that the Freya was .5" longer than the Panache, and spread open more as I stretched the band.

    For those with small ribcages and wider roots, the distance from one outer wire tip across the frame of the bra to the other outer wire tip is 12.25" lying flat.

    As a 46-year-old who breast fed two for two years each, I'm a bit deflated on top (think of a hardboiled egg laying sideways in a short sock). Although the four-part cup seemed like it would offer great uplift, the "U" shaped wire and stretchy lace fabric did me no favors. I cringe at the pictures I've posted. I think my petite frame, short height, and very sensitive, stretchmark-scarred skin just couldn't handle this bra.

    On the other hand, my 20-year-old daughter who is also a 30F (though with a 26" underbust and plenty of all-around fullness), LOVED it and looked absolutely stunning in it!
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    • WELCOME TO BRATABASE :) your envy review helped me a lot

    • WELCOME TO BRATABASE :) your envy review helped me a lot

    • Sorry, but thats a funny review! Bra are so personal . . . Panache's older models apparently were wider, and also some models are considered wide in the smaller range, and narrow in the larger range.

      Because a 30F is going to be narrower than a 32F . ..

      Anyways, Panache's wires are the firmest - which is why I prefer them. By way of introduction, I'm 49, nursed my 3 kids a total of 10 years, so I'm also very soft - but also more full-on-top (the top of my breast rounds up above the apex), and a 32J.

      Getting used to Panache wires was really hard, esp because I'd been wearing unwired bras for decades. There is a break-in period, and also washing helps with the itching. BUt . . . the envy slides down slightly and hurts my ribs, while the Panache floris does not.

      finding your right size range is a start, and fine-tuning is a process. You may even want to try using an extender while breaking in bras, or even trying a 32 and see if that is more comfortable.

      Good luck!

    • Panache no longer has the widest wires. That is information from several years back. The envy doesn't have wide wires. The bra IS very firm, though! Sorry you are having a rough time.

    • Do you have Amazon prime by any chance? If you do its a great place to find a lot of bras to try. Also Asos USA - free shipping and returns, same with Journelle. Sorry I don't have any good advice with the wires outside of if its poking too much I wouldn't keep it!

    • Thank you for the feedback, Ladies. It sounds like I really need to try many more on before drawing any conclusions.

      So what is an example of a particularly wide wire model I could try to help me get to the um...root...of the shape question?

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      Curvy Kate's older models tend to have pretty wide wires, and softer/more flexible than the Panache torture wires. Their newer seasons like AW2014 and SS2015 have somewhat of a changed shape, more narrow and projected. Possibly their Princess or Dreamcatcher bras could help you determine width - they're pretty budget-friendly on Amazon right now. They're also unlined so you won't have a molded cup interfering with shape-diagnosis.

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    Fits

    I got my first Panache Envy back in 2014 and this bra turned out a real workhorse for me. The cup construction with side support pannels and stretch lace upper cups gives my FoB breasts a nice centered natural shape without looking droopy beneath higher cut necklines.

    The fit of this peacock colourway is consistent with the other colours (black and cassis) I've tried. Peacock is a rich warm teal and works very well with the characteristic texture mixing of this solid coloured bra.

    Peacock colorway

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    Fits

    Basic side support balcony bra. The cups are made from semi-sheer houndstooth fabric with floral patterned stretchy lace in the upper part. The contrast between the menswear-inspired fabric and the more feminine elements like the floral patterns and the little bows on straps an center gore give this otherwise unpretending design a little extra twist.

    I find this bra very comfortable and I like the soft touch of materials used. The shape is rounded but more in a tear-drop way. It's a perfect everyday bra which is pretty even if not as stunning as some other Panache or Cleo designs. But it works well in situations were support is more important than looks. I just did a whole moving wearing this one and everything was still in place afterwards.

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    Fits

    I loved my black 30F - Panache » Envy Balconnet Bra (7285), so getting this pretty cassis colorway was a no brainer. For me the natural but centered shape with side support panels and stretch lace in the upper cups is perfect for an everyday bra.

    Lookwise the texture mixing in an otherwise solid bra worked great in black and looks even richer in this warm purple shade.

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    Didn't fit

    Now that we've moved and are fairly settled in I wanted to try bras again. Trying ANY non-moulded, non-padded bra is a big step for me, but quite a few ladies here have suggested doing so, and seeing the wisdom I've decided to try a few.

    This bra is very pretty, especially in the soft green (granted, a favourite colour of mine!), but just does not fit so I really cannot accurately judge the bra. I would not call this a real balconnette bra—the cups come up quite high on my chest, though this may be due to my not fitting it right. Anyhow, too much gaping at the ... top of the cups—it is absolutely the wrong size, much too large for me. :( This is one Bratabase recommended in this size...I'm starting to think I'm just defective or am somehow measuring improperly. Or both!

    Failure #327 aside, it IS a pretty bra; lace is feminine and seems soft and comfortable. I just do not have nearly enough 'ooomph' to fill the top of the cups and my husband has absolutely put the kibosh on my getting implants so things fit correctly. Darn (to both problems)!

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    Didn't fit

    My god this bra is COMFORTABLE. Even in a cup too small for me, this comfort is unbeatable, and the wires still stay in my IMF.

    This review has been updated to compare Envy to Jasmine after a few months of wear: I bought the Jasmine in a larger cup size, and I find the stretch lace too stretchy for me. Jasmine is great during my PMS times: because of its compliance, it is a real life-saver then, but otherwise it is too much bounce for me when I walk. The Envy's stretch lace is stronger, which I appreciate during all other times of the month, as it gives ... me a rounder, more lifted shape (keep in mind that it's also a cup size smaller. I imagine that in the same cup size as my Jasmine, while the lace is still stronger, the shape would be a bit too down-and-out for me). The Jasmine was initially irritating to my skin, and though it has softened over time, it is not designed to be as comfortable as the Envy, particularly the straps. Asophisticatedpair's blog talks about Panache bras frequently arriving "heavily starched," and I have to agree that Jasmine did. My only quibble with the Envy is that the stretch lace has garnered a few little pulls over the past couple months, such that it tufts out, but to be fair this cannot be seen through a shirt and the bra is basically a cup size too small, being worn multiple times per week.

    I'm not sure if it's because I went down a cup size, but the straps are set closer on my Envy, and the wings are lower as well, which is loads better for me. I am definitely engaging the stretch lace, but no quadboob going on, and it gives me one of the best shapes I have ever seen on myself; it's natural yet lifted. Even my boyfriend noticed that it looked lovely on me because it fit so well (and it's nude, so the fact that he noticed it at all says something). Also, this bra is so comfortable that I don't want to take it off right when I come in the door (and I am the kind of person who puts my pajamas on when I come home). I can't even feel that I'm wearing it (amazing!). Both of these bras like to be washed every 3-4 wears.

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    • This bra is now too small for me: quadboob city. I'm thinking I've had some tissue migration, or boobs are growing again (please no!), or I just have 2.5-week PMS boob swell (Is that possible?)

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    Fits

    I only tried this bra on in store (couldn't afford it at the time), but it fits like a dream! I didn't even adjust the straps and even still, it gave me a perfectly round and centred shape – no drooping or quad boob or anything! Amazing! The colour was beautiful (technically "mint" but it looks more like an icy blue) and the fabric, very comfortable. I'm definitely planning to buy this bra as soon as I have the money to do so. Well done Panache! I especially appreciate the narrow wires on this one!

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    Didn't fit

    This bra fits, but I really don't like it! The side-support seam digs in on my smaller side when I tighten the strap, and it's noticeable under clothes. I also have this bra in a 30E, and while I get a small amount of quad-boob on my larger side in that one, I'd rather have that than the weird shape from this size.

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    Didn't fit

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    Didn't fit

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    Black colorway

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    Added on Apr 04, 2017



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