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Fits ribcage0.0
B. perimeter0.0
Stretched Band77.5
Band Length58.9
Stretch ratio1.3
Cup width14.7
Cup depth25.9
Depth ratio1.8
Wire length22.6
Cup height17.8
Cup separation2.3
Gore height3.3
Wing height10.7
Strap width1.8
Hooks3
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EU65G

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As promised to about ten people, I have added as much detail as I can in measurements and photos with captions for this bra. I usually wait to see other reviews for a new style, but as soon as I saw pictures of this on Ewa's Instagram, I knew I would get it as soon as I could. It took about 11 days from ordering to get to me. I basically only wear the padded PLs these days as I need an extremely low gore. I am center full, functionally full on bottom, with soft tissue, lots of squish, narrow roots, and symmastia. Gores higher than 2.2" sit on tissue, and higher than 2.4" and I'm in a lot of pain. I love the SF and BM styles as they're more comfortable and fit better than the padded styles, but they aren't a technical fit and I need to pad them with cotton balls to only have mild discomfort. I did not think an unlined PL that fit me was possible! This isn't my holy grail, ultimate, best bra of all time, but considering my needs and how precise the bra construction is, it is close. The cup width measurement is wide, but the cup itself is not wide. The wire lines up with most of my other EM bras but the extremely low gore makes the measurement wider. If the gore was slightly taller, the cup width measurement would reflect the narrow wires we know and love from Ewa. I love that it has three hooks, although the band is a little stretchy and not like the firm EM bands I'm used to. The cup separation is about as far as I can handle, any more and it would not fit. I went with Ewa's suggestion of ordering the same size as I would for BM and SF and it fits perfectly on my smaller side. The fabric is stretchy and accommodates shape well, so it stretches to fit the larger side just barely. If I order another, which I probably will order several, I will size up in the cup. The strap attachments are similar to the removeable straps on my PL Capuucinowy, just larger. The straps came apart when I was adjusting them so I was worried they would come off while wearing, but they feel very secure when on. It lays flat and doesn't show under tight t-shirts. The wing and edge of the cup are a little high and I'm short so it comes up higher than a BM or SF would under the arm. The cup fabric is rigid and sewn similar to the SF style, so there are some wrinkles in the cup no matter how much I adjust. If I could tighten the straps a little more, they almost go away, but I can't tighten anymore because of the cup/wing height. The straps don't fall off my shoulders so it's not a fit issue at all, just the wrinkles. Crossing the straps in the back is comfortable and doesn't get rid of all the wrinkles in the cup. This is the most comfortable bra I own, although I could say that about other EM unlined styles if the gore didn't cause so much pain for me. I'm very impressed with the construction and I can't wait for more colors to come out so I can order them all!

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  • 2

    Yay, I'm so glad that you were able to make this unlined EM comfortable!

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    carrythedollhouse I was scared to get my hopes up but it lived up to the expectations!

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    yea! I can't wait to try this bra!
    It looks really pretty in black; such projection for a bra with such a low gore, you know.

    Normally I would think that such a low gore would have a shallow shape; looks like more Ewa sorcery, lol.

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    edit: WildWolff , I so appreciate you buying this bra, tbh. I haven't seen any other reviews!

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    BraOdyssey it does run a little more shallow than the BM, SF, and SMs I've tried, but I'm amazed by the projection and construction! Every single detail in this bra works together to make it possible. I looked at it for ten minutes before trying it on to figure out how it could possibly work. Even my Engineer husband who knows of my bra woes and symmastia problems said "it doesn't seem possible" when I told him there was a narrow unlined super low plunge in my size. I didn't think it could be done so it's literally a bra dream come true for me.

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    BraOdyssey I usually wait for bra reviews but as soon as I saw this on the website I decided it was worth being one of the first to try since I've been waiting for so long for something like this. I'm also looking at the SF Blackjack now, the construction of that one looks so unique too.

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    Wow ty for taking the time to write such a detailed review! I wish they made this style when I was first getting into abtf but at least it exists now haha. It looks great!

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    Thank you for the detailed review, very helpful. Glad it worked out for you!

  • 2

    How comparable to the PL is it? Glad it worked so well for you!

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    AllyBra it's very similar to the SF style from Ewa. Compared to the PL: the band is a little stretchier because of the material. The band measurement unstretched and stretched is similar, but the material on PLM is a few layers of mesh and the finishing is also stretchy so it may stretch out quicker. I would say the projection is similar to PL, the PLM has a little more because it's unlined, but it's a little more shallow than the SF or BM because of the low gore and the cut/seams of the cup fabric. Cup width is the same, gore is even lower then the PL somehow, more cup separation, wing is a little higher.

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    confusedandshort and margesimpson you're welcome! I'm also glad it worked out! I think there may be a red one in the future, it looks like Ewa is wearing it in her latest Instagram post. I'm telling myself that I should wait to see if there are more colors before I buy more, it's an excellent comfort/lounge bra for me since I need support all the time.

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    This looks amazing on you! I’ve been wanting one but husband cut me off from bra buying for a while, booooo.
    I’m unsure what size I should go for. My SM’s are wee small now, but my BM’s are fitting fine in sizes 65G. Not sure if I should size up to a GG? SF for me runs short at the apex in G cup, and this looks like the SF construction? What are your thoughts?

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    Happy2BraShop I'm still amazed that my husband hasn't had a problem with the number of bras that come in the mail lol Let me know if you're looking to sell any of those SMs that are too small! I'm currently measuring at a 30G UK and when I order another one I plan to get a 65GG (I'm hoping they put Antonina PLM on the website soon!). It fits smaller and more shallow than a 65G BM and SF. I asked Ewa and she said she wears the same size in PLM as she does BM and SF. It's not a bad fit in 65G, but I'm hoping 65GG helps a little with depth. The construction is very similar to SF. I like the new hook and ring strap more than the removable straps that she used to use which affected fit and projection more.

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    WildWolff Thanks for the size tip! Think I’ll shoot for 65GG then. I’ve had it sitting in my cart for a few days trying to decide. :)
    I need to clean out my bra drawer and assess some fits. :)

  • 1

    I'm desperate to try this but kinda struggling to figure out which size(s) to try since everything is in cm and my body seems to measure exact inches all the time, but really weird fractions of a cm and dyscalculia makes the bigger numbers harder to get right too. That and the PL ones I tried a while back didn't fit well at all and I've gained weight since then. Currently not really wearing a bra, but the ones I got last August from Bravissimo fitted best in the 32HH and 30J Niya style (was kinda between the two, wore both with extenders because I have a small front frame and new from past try ons that Bravissimo bras don't work in a 34 band for me). The Satine which had previously been my go to was just too tall and wide in those sizes. And weirdly, whilst the Niya had less projection, the more vertical seaming allowed it to mould to my shape more, forcing it to have a bit more projection.

    The bras I got from Ewa were all the PL Zlote Oko at a time when I measured 30" for my underbust and 38" overbust and was just sizing out of the Bravissimo Satine in a 32FF (finding the G too wide, tall etc, yet still not projected enough). At the advice of people here I tried the 70FF, 70G, 70GG, and because I felt I was probably towards the higher end and in between bands, the 75G. The 70 bands were too tight. The 75 was fine. But the best fitting cup/wire width and gore height was the 70FF, it just didn't have enough projection at all. The other sizes were all too wide and tall in every way, and all had issues with the straps not actually being able to sit on my shoulders. An issue I hadn't had since I was a 32C and tried to wear balcony bra styles (did not work, I needed plunges even then).

    So I know this bra likely will still have *some* fit issues, but I'm struggling to figure out what to try. Currently measure 34" for underbust and 46" for bust. I need to update my profile here when I can manage the numbers to do the more nuanced measurements.

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    AlexaFaie you can change to inches at the bottom of the page. I have some of the same issues where a 65FF is the best for me with cup width and gore height, but I need more cup volume. In terms of the band, it's not like the PL band. It's two layers of power mesh and has more stretch to it. I currently measure at 30G UK and wear 65G in the unlined Ewa models and 65GG in the padded styles. Ewa recommended ordering the same size I wear in unlined styles. The 65G fits okay, a little shallow. I plan to order another in 65GG soon. I would recommend a smaller band if you're in between, because the cup fabric does come up into the armpit area and so I would assume the smaller band may have a shorter cup and a more narrow cup. I hope this helps!

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    I couldn't find the bit to change to inches on Ewa's site (that's where I was looking for sizing for this style since there isn't enough info in anything close to my size on here yet). I have here set in inches already. Her calculator suggests an 80GG which confuses me because in the table that says it will fit a bust of 114cm. An 80H would fit a 116.5cm bust and my bust (46") google tells me is 116.84. So I'm confused why it wouldn't suggest the 80H. I don't know if it matters, but my bust, whilst somewhat malleable, measures the same standing, leaning, and lying down. Like it shifts around, but the measurement doesn't alter. Only difference is when I lean forwards it lets it sit higher on my chest so the circumference doesn't include my broader lower rib, but does include my skin stretching a bit with the weight of my boobs. In which case I'm guessing trying a 80H and something on the 75 band. Size chart for 75HH says 114cm, 75J is 116.5cm. So that is a little confusing. Do I do a straight sister size or go with the one which actually mentions the number I measure at? I'm thinking that I might at least be able to narrow the gore if needed to bring the cups closer & further away from my armpits and this style looks super easy to alter. I'll leave myself a note for tomorrow to go try the 75GG on back to front & upside down to see if the band will work or not. Though I'll probably get two sizes just in case. I've been avoiding trying 34 bands at Bravissimo simply because I never got the proper support when I was smaller (I did have some 34B and 34Cs because they were too pretty not to have them, but mostly wore 32Cs for years until my breasts decided to get bigger at university and then again on meds). But I do measure 34" now, so might be worth trying that larger band just in case. Even though I know the cup separation will increase because bra manufacturers are evil or something (I joke).

  • 1

    AlexaFaie sorry I didn't know you meant on Ewa's site, I was talking about bratabase. From what I've read, the calculator on her site is off for most people. I can get it to tell me the size I know fits if I tweak the centimeters a little bit. I recommend getting the 34 band if that's what you're measuring at right now, especially because it's a stretchy band. I would get this in 60H if it was easy to get a 60 band from Ewa. The cup separation on this bra is so far! Any farther and it wouldn't work for me. Another option you could consider is the SF blackjack. I haven't tried it but it's on my list.

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    The SF blackjack looks interesting, but I'm not sure that would fit well as it looks to be more of a full cup style which I've never been able to wear, plus it looks more east-west in terms of volume. My main issue is that bras often have all the volume in the sides. My nipple point is always an inch or two closer to the middle than its expected to be. So if I force myself into that sort of style it really tugs on that bit in the middle where the breast roots join one another. You know the painful spot? I never understand how anyone can cope with the pain of having their breasts pulled apart like that.

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    Does make me think though, is there an average for where on ones torso the nipple point is expected to be? I've seen before people suggesting that the straps are meant to sort of line up with the area of greatest volume (where the nipple would sit) but my nipples are in line with the sides of my neck. Nipple to nipple is 4". Is there anywhere where people have discussed that aspect of fit? I've just measured my 32G Satine (which doesn't fit, but it was the easiest to grab) and laid flat the most projected points are more than 6" apart (my ruler I have close is only 6" long, my tape measure is in the bedroom & my partner is asleep). Which I guess explains some of the fit issues lol.

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    AlexaFaie I don't think there's an average, it really depends on fullness and volume and body type and all sorts of factors. All breasts and bodies are different. Mine are pretty separate because I have center fullness which makes them point away from each other when not supported. And I have no separation of tissue between the breasts and I'm a small person overall so there are many factors that come into play with the distance.


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