After months of continued growth and recently realising that I can wear a band size smaller, I am a (shallow) 32J. Before transitioning I thought that just being a D cup after 2 years would be incredibly lucky, but I feel blessed that I have had such overdevelopment in little over 1 year of growth. In early April I was wearing a 34GG, so I've grown 2 cup sizes in around 2 months. I'm looking forward to the next 12 months.
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Apparently instead of having breast tenderness or swelling with my other lovely PMS symptoms, my TOS just becomes cranky. With my cycle 1-3 days away, suddenly every bra that is normally comfy and nice feels like it’s digging a trench into me along the top of the cup between the outside tip of the wire and where the cup meets the strap, but only on the larger side. And, just to make life more confusing, the evil evil Chantelle C Chic Sexy Plunge is suddenly bearable. Honestly, WTF?! This is ridiculous.
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does full on bottom mean pendulous? confused with some terminology. thanks in advance xx
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Nope! Pendulous means your breasts hang significantly below your underbust line--full on bottom means that, within the actual breast itself, disconnected from its relation to your body, there's more fullness on the bottom than the top. Here's a link with some diagrams and explanations: https://bustyresources.fandom.com/wiki/Breast_shape
Here are some attempts to describe the shapes that the system has: https://www.bratabase.com/help/shapes/#Canonical-breast-shapes
My personal opinion is that most boobs are a combination of many shapes in different degrees, which makes it hard to have a hard classification for each pair. They will be some % of one and some % of other. It's all wobbly.
I find that it may help to make sets of shapes from the gallery https://www.bratabase.com/breast-shapes/ that describe them better. For example this set https://www.bratabase.com/breast-shapes/set/1x8/
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So, I was reading this blog post on “Hugs For Your Jugs” this evening, and it dawned on me why I have so many shape issues with narrower gores/wires. My boobs are totally a splayed shape! I suspected it for a short while now, but after reading this it confirmed my suspicions. The problem is, I have no idea what ... bras/brands are good for splayed shapes, and unfortunately I’m not finding a lot of info on r/ABTF or google.
I also have no idea if this means I need wide wires or narrow wires. All I know is that the inner wire/gore should be wider. Tall and wide gores don’t ever tack for me, but narrower tall gores can. But no matter what I always seem to have gaping between the inner wire/gore and my inner breast shape/IMF. This also makes sense why every time I try to size up for more projection it gets worse with the wrinkles on the inner part of the cup.
I just wanted to share, but if anyone has any suggestions for bras to try I’m all ears!
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Feels. All the feels!
One of my very favorite bra fit blogs. Honestly, I don't know what other fit concerns you may have encountered, but in most cases if a bra is comfy and supportive and looks acceptable to you personally when you wear it and you have no other indication of fit issues apart from a little bit of wrinkling near the wire, that is ABSOLUTELY not a sign of insufficient projection on its own nor is it sufficient reason to size up (or indeed down). Sure, if you can see lots and lots of wrinkling fabric somewhere, and other clues tell you that the cup or band is not quite right for you that's a clear sign there's a problem, but poor projection is only one of many different possibilities (like the cup simply being the wrong size altogether, or excess tension on the band because it's too small, or overtightened straps for example) .
I have no idea hat good bra fitting means cups need to look precision-molded to the exact shape of the wearer's supported breast... But if you think about it, exact, down-to-the-millimeter correspondence between cup/ wire and boob are pretty unlikely... bodies are not computer designed and boobs rarely are shaped like perfect hemispheres with perfect U-shaped roots. So if you were to look closely, just about everyone has small gaps here and there even in a very well-fitted bra.
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So sad that the Panache Porcelain Lace in 34G doesn’t fit. I was so excited to get it, but it is so far from fitting me that I can’t even tell what the actual main problem is. First it’s far too tall in the cups, and definitely too wide in the wires. These problems are so bad I can’t tell ... if it’s also too projected or not. The band is also kinda loose for a 34/75. I can put it on the middle hook no problem. I’m sad because it’s so pretty and seems so well made and feels comfy. But it also raises the spectre of my too big cups phobia. Sigh.
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Whenever I get a bra that's too big in the cups I feel like it's because my boobs are too small and I get very self conscious. It kind of ruins my day. I was a very "late bloomer" and I know it comes from that, but it still doesn't make it easier to process.
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I’m the same way! And then I get so surprised when a bra happens to be too small.
Me too! I'm a 28GG, so my boobs are about average sized, not necessarily "small". but each time I get a bra that's slightly too big I feel like part of the IBTC (not that there's anything wrong with that!).
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I gained weight. From being able to wear a Frey 28, I now need to use a bra extender on a la senza 34. Not sure if it's only because of the cups or I'm really now a 36?
Haven't measured myself because I'm scared.
This just makes me really really sad. I know how this might be irrelevant for some. But for someone like me who is already struggling to find the correct bra, this is just so sad..
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I’m so sorry that you’re dealing with this. I can unfortunately relate. 😔 I’m also in the same boat of gaining weight and struggling because now none of my bras fit right, and I’m having so much discomfort from the band digging into my skin above my stomach. I’m also scared to buy new bras and 1) not be able to find the right size or 2) buying new bras in the new size and then losing weight and have to start all over again.
Just in case it helps; Freya bands are (or at least used to be) very stretchy!
Don't know about LaSenza (never worn them), but the 28 Freya band may be closer to the LaSenza 34 than it seems.. ?
Also, I can totally imagine this sucks ): but try not to be too hard on yourself. Times are challenging enough as it is.
If you do manage to work up the courage, just measure yourself, and/or ask for advice on here for something comfortable to wear? Maybe some stretch lace bras or supportive sports tops to allow for fluctuation?
FWIW, your comfort is more important than sizes/labels/measurements <3
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Hi there! I created a new subreddit akin to bigboobproblems. The only difference is that I privatized it, each user must be approved by a mod. Does anyone want to join it or help me moderate it? I may be in over my head...
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What do you mean by saver? I'm not very active on reddit and only lurked into that subbreddit once... honestly I made me feel bad. But I don't know if what made me feel bad is the reason you made a private subreddit.
@alisa
Mostly creepy pm's. All the porn posted, a whole bunch of things added up.
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So I finally found the perfect bra for me a couple of weeks ago and was lucky enough to snag a second one as well, thus finally having some bras to wear. And I was so happy and relieved. In a weird twist, after being sick for the past week (not anything special, just some random bug), I suddenly lost ... enough weight that I had to go to the last hook already on my brand new bras--that just a week ago fit perfectly--just to keep the band from sliding around. I've got to just laugh at the timing, honestly. I wasn't expecting them to fit perfectly forever, but I did expect more than a week.
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That sucks!! For me a weight change of as little as 5-10 lbs can have a significant impact on my bra fit. I’ve started keeping 2-3 sizes around for that reason.
If you think the weight loss is permanent and the cup still fits great, you can have the band taken in at a tailor. It doesn’t cost much. Or, if you know how to sew, take the band in yourself.
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My husband refuses to believe I am a DDD (34) lol
It's really not that big honey. But if you don't think they're all that, I can fondle them without you. Mua haha.
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@suburbiadaze I think people in general don't realize that 1 cup...1 CUP is an inch in depth. So ask him if you have more than 6 inches of titts... because that's all a letter amounts to. DDD = six more inches of depth from a ___ band. I agree on part 2 fully lol I'll praise and caress my own girls 😂 if u aren't 💅🏽 and fix your own plate for dinner too smh 🤣
I came here from the reddit r/abrathatfits, and with their calculator I was about a 30FF. I tried on some bras and they were way too small. I then got some 30Gs and they fit almost perfectly, but returned them because the shapes were a little off and I didn’t want to commit. (I wish I had documented them all, ... oh well.)
Now I use bratabases calculator and they say I’m a 32HH or even a J!! I know it’s probably because of asymmetry and not that big of a difference, but 32HH seems way larger than 30G to me. Should I trust this algorithm more and try some of this larger size even if the Gs were okay?
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The calculator here takes a bit of time to adjust to your "true/actual" size. It works better once you've entered a few fitting bras. Until then it's just an estimate. Keep trying bras in different shapes and sizes and eventually you'll find one that works! Once you start finding bras that fit, then the data here starts really making sense and you can use it to find more bras that fit to your own perimeters and style, etc. If 30G was close to fitting, there's no reason to jump up to 32HH, but you can always try it just to see how it fits for science sake.
I agree with Wilderness1 . If a 30G was feeling pretty good I wouldn’t jump up that much farther. If you remember one or two models and the issues the ladies here are extremely helpful!
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any one here jog? i've recently started jogging and need new sports bras. i already own a wirefree panache that the band is too tight on so i can't wear it... i also have been having issues with my arms rubbing against my breast on the sides. so any suggestions for bras that get ur boob out of ur sides would be great. no wires please as i have bony ribs.
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I strongly prefer my Shock Absorber Ultimate Run bras over my Panache Sport for running. The band runs a full two sizes smaller than the label though, so I would watch out for that (my measurements indicate 26FF/G, but I wear a 30F in this sports bra).
thanks, i'll check it out. so since i usually wear a 32D, ur saying i should maybe try a 36B? i'll try to see if i can find one. :)
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How can I tell if my boobs are high on my chest or low on my chest? Is there a definitive rule? Also, how can I determine if I have narrow or broad roots, I've taken measurements, read guides etc. But I can't figure it out.
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i remember seeing a chart a couple years ago that showed if you stand up straight and your breast apex are halfway between your shoulder to elbow then they are, well, in the middle. but if they are lower than the middle than they are low set, and if they are higher than the middle then they are high set. i hope that makes sense? :) but who knows if that was right anyways. maybe? :)
that feeling when your apex is almost level with ur bloody elbow..
it's probably somewhat on the right track at least because I've always thought I have low set boobs and that method agrees with me so who knows. but some ppl have shorter arms, or longer torso, short torso.. etc.
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so any person with their nipples pierced? i'm considering getting them done, but wonder if it will dramatically change how a bra fits? do they show through unpadded bras? do they like, snag bra fabric? i know that ppl get them sometimes because they have inverted nipples or because they want to be able to feel more with them. but ... i have the opposite, i have extremely sensitive nipples that are rather long and thick, would piercing them help desensitize them and help "pull" them in and make them shorter? or do i not sound like a good candidate for it?
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I can only speak for myself. I had them pierced for a few years, then I took them out due to having my last baby.
Mine always felt like they were overly sensitive, more than before, and one started to migrate out and I would have had to have it redone at some point.
Yes they can show through soft cup bras. My solution to that was to use Wacoal No-Peeks cup inserts. During the summer if I wanted to go braless, but conceal them I’d use stick on nipple petals. I always felt like they got snagged on my towel or wash cloth while showering. In all it’s something I don’t plan to do again. I tried it, but it was alway more annoying than anything.
Just make sure if you get them done you go to a reputable professional piercer. Good luck on your decision.
I don't think it'd help much to decrease their sensitivity.
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Has anyone tried a posture corrector or over bust corset to help with the breast weight issue?
I'm a 32H, and can't seem to find a bra that supports enough around the ribcage and lets me feel like I can still breathe enough that there isn't too much weight on my shoulders. I always have big knots in the ... muscles on the top of my shoulder between the bra strap and the base of my neck. I always feel like I am being pulled down in the front by my breasts, and just holding them up with my hands or laying on my back feels like an amazing relief for my whole upper body.
The posture corrector ads usually talk about improving the look of your figure (I don't care - I just want to be comfortable!) but I think by the laws of physics, anything to distribute the force of the weight over a greater area of my back, or down to my waist and hips (like a corset) would help.
Thoughts? Advice on specific brands of posture correctors?
For context:
I wear an Elomi matilda in 32H that is very comfortable, but I think puts too much weight on my shoulders.
I also have a Panache underwire sports bra in a 34GG. This one is better at feeling like it supports around the rib cage...but I want more support!
I tried on a Panache Jasmine 32H that supported well, but it was so uncomfortable with such a high gore.
Thanks, team!
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I’ve tried posture correctors in the past, due to slouching. It always ended up hurting my armpits because basically all it does is pull your shoulders back.
As for over bust corsets, I was into them years and years ago. Over busy corsets can smoosh you’re breast into the body while at the same time pushing them up. If you’re interested in a corset I suggest one that comes down over the hips to help use your hips to hold everything up. Also make sure your corset has a steal busk in it. They can also make you feel hot since they hold in a lot of heat. A corset liner is also a good idea. It will help wick sweat away from your body but also keeping the corset clean.
Maybe also try basque bras or long line bras. The additional band length on the bra body might help with the over all support. Hope you can find something that helps.
Which bras do work best for you? Do you have to size up, if yes how many sizes?
I just wonder if anyone else struggles as much as me with their shape. So many bras just cut in on top, while otherwise would fit well. I have to size up and up until bras are too tall and wires too wide to get rid of quadboob.
Now the most recommended solution to this problem are stretch lace bras. But many of those are actually too open on top and don't support enough in my size range (JJ-K cups).
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I think the full on top crowd have the hardest time- bras are mostly not designed for us especially in larger sizes.
It's a tricky shape to fit - do you think it's less common shape over all or just in larger sizes ? Bras are designed for the customer who buys them. Also some stretch lace bras are too weak to support above a certain size - so they don't make them.
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As I’m awaiting my excel to load the data, I’ve crocheted a boobie 🤷🏼♀️🤣 good as a stress ball
Anyone’s else is crocheting too?
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Do you ship those internationally? I may need a stressball boobie :P
Jj I certainly can!!! 😂
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Currently I get quadboob in most of my bras. And it's bras I just bought 1-2 months ago. I have been a stable size 32J in most bras with the occasional 32JJ or 32HH thrown in. Since I am 1 week before my Period I assume it could be a bad case of PMS boobs. Or could it be tissue ... migration happening? (That I scooped some side fat into my cups that used to escape before? I also think that only happens when you start to wear the correct size and I got fitted in 2012!)
Do you also experience huge changes in PMS boobs? Do you need to size up for that time?
I also wonder if it was something I ate? A few weeks ago someone here had a discussion if the consumption of soy can lead to breast growth. I recently started to eat more protein since I read it can help to manage weight which for me as a vegan was also more tofu? Could that also cause it? Also if we already talk the topic of PMS, how do you deal with the food cravings? Is there any remedy?
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Hi, fellow vegan! As far as I can tell, the whole 'soy causing breast growth' thing is a myth. I haven't seen any studies about it regarding AFAB people, but these two reports analyzing numerous studies of the effects of soy on AMAB people assert that the consumption of soy does not cause breast growth in (cis) men [https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(09)00966-2/pdf https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/pdf].
Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm not too much help here. My boobs don't change size throughout the month and never have :P. I'm also on the younger side and have only been wearing properly fitting bras since like 2015ish, I think (at which time I was 16), so I can't really say much about breast migration either. Hope some other people can chime in!
I'm vegetarian, and I also have not seen any evidence of breast growth linked to soy. I wouldn't worry about that too much. I have had times when they grow and shrink somewhat surprisingly, but I feel like my weight can be a little like that too, haha. I don't fluctuate size during the course of the month, but I know a lot of people here do, hopefully they will jump in and give some advice. I think that I have seen a lot of them talk about having certain bras they like for certain times of the month, and really liking bras with some stretch lace that can accommodate a little bit of change.
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So Panache Tango has always been a bit roomy on me but now for some reason it's too small.. And it's not because of period or anything.
I really don't wanna go up more cup sizes. I feel like I started going up more and more ever since I got a hormone spiral put in 2 years ago. Anyone else had ... that happen?? I was on the pill before though for many years but I was pretty stable around 30H/HH for a few years when I got the spiral put in. I dont know if it's because of the spiral or not, could be a coincidence.. but it has less hormones than the pills I was onCould be just weight gain too of course . UGH
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Not exactly the same, but my boobs grew 1-2 cup sizes when I got put on medicine for my hormonal disorder (technically the pill). This happened within, like, a few months of starting to take my medicine and my boobs haven't grown any more since then, though. I know my gynecologist said that's a normal side effect, but as I'm not a gynecologist, I don't know about the timelines of this sort of thing happening + how that relates to hormone levels, etc. You could always ask your gynecologist (or, you know, whichever medical professional put in your hormone spiral) about it if it's bothering you and you really want to know for sure. I hope this all resolves well for you!
Something I do not think many science/health/sex-ed classes or doctors cover is breast development, at least not with regard to how hormonal birth control (or hormone imbalances) affect it. Your breasts are actually not considered fully developed until you have gotten pregnant and given birth, and your milk comes in. THAT is the end state. Your breasts *partially* develop during puberty/adolescence, but until you undergo the specific changes to composition during pregnancy, your breasts are "immature". (Even if you are eighty!)
Many of the changes to breast tissue - much of which includes expansion/growth - occur during the first trimester or two. As most people know, the pill and other hormonal birth control mimic the hormone patterns of early pregnancy, "tricking" your body into thinking it is already pregnant. What a lot of people don't realize or fully understand is that the "birth control bump" (as we called it in high school) of a cup size or two (sometimes more) is actually your breasts further developing - preparing for breast milk production.
The exact changes vary from person to person, just as changes from real pregnancies vary. Think about all the women you have seen go through pregnancy. Some women have very little breast growth, others seem to explode. Some women's breasts go back to "normal" afterwards, other women's breasts retain all or some growth. Some women gain boob with every pregnancy, others do not.
Increased amounts of fat in your blood/body can increase your estrogen levels, this can affect breast growth, and not just by increasing the fat in your boobs.
So what does all this mean? Well, every woman reacts to hormones a bit differently, so even "low-dose" hormones may affect you in a way many women are not. It means that if the hormones are enough to fool your body into thinking it is pregnant, they are probably enough to potentially cause at least some breast growth.
There is also the matter of how the hormones are absorbed by your body. You may be absorbing more into your bloodstream via the spiral than you did via the pill, even though the pill had higher levels.
I am curious about other people's perspectives... Large and small can be somewhat subjective, and bra fitting and sizing is so bizarre (in the aggregate) that even people who are more "enlightened" don't agree on what the lines are. Maybe I have been spending too much time in bra fitting land, but a lot of people post reviews of bras ... that are in the upper range of sizes, and I look at the pictures and think, "they don't look *that* big". I look at mine and generally think, "they don't look *that* big". To be fair, I do not think an FF cup would actually be that big compared to the average, if everyone were in a properly fitted bra.
This is not meant to be judgmental, breast size obviously has no moral value whatsoever. It just strikes me as a bit odd that lately, rather large cups on smaller bands just don't seem objectively big to me. I know intellectually that an H cup on a bigger band is larger than an H cup on a smaller band, but it seems like they should look the same in terms of proportion, or even that the smaller band H cup should look bigger if it is on a slimmer frame.
Has your idea of big vs. small changed as you learn(ed) more about bras? As your body changes or changed? Is your idea of it based on your own size? (People often think of their various traits as "the average", regardless of where they actually lie on a spectrum.)
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I used to wear 32DD and thought I had big boobs cause "32 = small back and DD = big". I'm 5'5 and my adulthood weight fluctuates between 110-120 lbs so I thought my boobs were big on my body, although I'm aware there are a lot more boobs bigger than mine.
Then I found out my real size is 28F and realized it's only an average size on here. I get confused. It almost sounds like an identify crisis lol. I used to wish my boobs were smaller because I looked so bulky in certain clothing and I did ballet, and now I would be so happy if they were several cups bigger so I qualify having big boobs. I know several girls my size and we're considered big here (in Asia) although not uncommonly. I also realise that if I take pictures they don't look that big, but when I look down at my boobs or feel them with my hands they feel big.
There's this recent thread on ABTF that discusses what's "big". https://www.reddit.com/r/ABraThatFits/comments/gu1ajb/i_have_big_boobs_too_even_though_some_people_do/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
With the big versus small debate we can easily forget that breasts are attached to bodies with various sizes and shapes. The same amount of breast tissue can be perceived quite differently on different body types - and with different bra and clothing choices. We as women are whole packages that need to be viewed as a whole - not just the stripe of boob that we focus on here at bratabase (and perhaps society?!). How much of our identity is wrapped up in the size of our bra - for good or evil? Do not forget about the brainwashing of standard bra shops that size does not go past a D or DDDD!
"Size" is so relative without layering on the highly charged letters past D. How do conversations go about a 32J bra when the majority of women would cram those puppies into a 38DDD and call 'er done?
Talking about bra size is a bit of a taboo where I am so how do women get perspective on size? Does it really matter if we are able to slot ourselves into the big-small debate? Though it is unsettling as we find out our true measurement for a well-fitting bra which is so vastly different from the masses. It would be nice for women to realize that whole swathes of the population should not be buying bras at Victoria Secret. Perhaps that would normalize the sub-32 bands and the cups past D. Nobody likes to think that they have snowflakes for breasts.
Photographing ourselves can be unsettling to our brain. Being told on google that the average bra size is 34B - take a look at a well-fitting 34B and see if you can pick out very many women that look like that! Not a lot of accurate data about breast size. Did you know that Dolly Parton is a 36E? Ha ha
I say accept our breasts, put them in comfortable, well-fitting bras, and call that done - forget about judgments from all the corners of society. Barring surgery, we have what we have. It does not matter others' thoughts.
Now the size of my butt is another matter...
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Agreed, dagmarwulfe . PMS sucks!